‘What stands between us and what happened in London? Guns, guns, guns’

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By Jeff Poor
May 23, 2013

In the wake of a pair of terrorists slaying a British soldier in the streets of London, talk show host Michael Savage pointed out Wednesday one key difference between the United States and the United Kingdom: Second Amendment rights.

“Now what stands between us and what happened in London?” Savage asked. “Guns, guns, guns — only guns, only guns. And this very same gang that wants to flood this country with 50 million, 30 million, 20 million, 11 million — you pick the number, pick it out of a hat — illegal aliens, it’s all amnesty for every one of them — also wants to take your guns away — Durbin and the rest of them want to seize your guns.”

But Savage also credited the police in the U.S. and proclaimed they are what stands between the public and the types of individuals that would commit such heinous acts....


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Does anyone know how long it took the "Bobbies" to get to the scene and then call for guns to be used? First they ran the guy over, got out of the car stabbed him multiple times and the chopped his head off. That's got to take a little while. There's never a cop around when you need them. That's why I have my six friends with me at all times.

 

I am offended by the notion that the government doesn't trust the people with guns. Why should we trust a government that doesn't trust us? Really, we can't.

 

Really, we shouldn't!

Once again, a solid thread, Blackrook!

 

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Much as I defend and support the 2nd amendment, I disagree.

Attitude, and courage, that's what will make the difference.

Against a pair of blade wielders, a few women with cans of pepper spray in their handbags could have stopped the U.K. beheading murder.

Or someone with a Mop Handle...

If there had been people present with handguns, but lacking courage, the guy still would have been murdered.

I'm not saying that gun rights are not important, but don't fool yourself into thinking that gun ownership in itself is enough.

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Apparently no one had pepper spray or a mop handl.......wait WTF! A MOP HANDLE! DID YOU SAY MOP.,,,,,......arrrgh!!!!!! Get the police and law abiding citizens frign guns so they can make the choice as to whether they prefer a mop handle or a gun to defend themselves. That decision is to be made by the individual not the govt.
MOP HANDLES!!!!! Is this what liberals have brought us to? Seriously? You want to fight terrorists with mop handles? No wonder they didn't even run. What would they need to run from?

 

For the twenty centuries that Bladed weapons were the standard for offense, the common man's best defense against them was and IS the quarter staff.

I am a medieval combat participant and trainer, and I can tell you, someone with a few months training with a quarter staff can take down someone with anything short of a master with a long blade every time.

Several people with quarter staffs and unit cohesion amplify that effect greatly.

I am not saying that I wouldn't prefer to face a Cleaver Wielding Islamo-Fascist with a gun, instead of a quarter staff, I am very fond of my 9mm semi-auto. I'm saying that without courage, the weapon makes little difference.

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ARRGGGHGHG@!!!!!!!!! Mop Handles and Quarter Staffs!!!!?!?!??!?!?!?!?
Prediction: If the majority of people agree with you, Muslims will rule the world without any question. I honestly cannot believe even one person thinks this way. What a sad f&^%ing day for the world.

 

I agree it would be far more likely that the savages would be met with resistance in most US cities than they found in wussie London.

 

In a society such as the U.K. were there is a long standing tradition of not allowing guns to be owned by the common civilians, it is highly unlikely that it will change in a short enough time frame to prevent large and wide spread murder and mayhem among the non-Muslims.

But the adoption of allowing common citizens to carry DEFENSIVE weapons, such as quarter staffs and pepper spray is a real possibility. It would force the Islamo-fascists to adopt the importation of illegal ranged weapons, namely Guns, to be able to effectively continue their attacks. Doing so would clearly indicate to all and sundry that they mean ill to the native born Brits, and at that point, clamping severe restrictions on Islamic Immigration would be accepted.

Thus the adoption of Quarter Staffs and Pepper spray is a realistic and pragmatic pathway to a solution, provided the common Brit has .... COURAGE?!

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I'm confused. Did illegal aliens attack the British soldier?

 

Pepper spray is illegal in the UK I believe....it's considered an offensive weapon.

I'm sure someone trained with a "mop handle" could do some damage, but the great thing about guns is they are great equalizers...a dainty old lady can point and shoot with just a few hours training, with no worries about strength or dexterity.

The thing is, when you're trained to accept dependency on the government, you've already lost any cojones to take care of yourself much less someone else in trouble.

 

Times change, and so do laws...

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If they lived in the US the criminals would have had guns, and would have killed 10 people as opposed to 1. That is the only difference. Guns would have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to help in this situation.

PS. I don't want government doing anything to take away anyones guns, I am just sick of the lies told by gun nuts. Guns are the problem just as often as they are the solution. It just so happens that I trust government so little, that I don't want them doing anything to remove peoples guns.

 

Are you saying the soldier that got his head hacked off should have had more courage in order to save his life? cuz, from what people said, he was a brave soldier. In this case however he was completely disarmed and unable to protect himself from his attackers even though Im positive he had plenty of courage. You can talk about all the courage you want, if your attackers who are armed better than you and hell bent on killing you for religious and political reasons, they will succeed and shove that quarter staff and pepper spray right up your bungholes. The cleanup crews can then use your mop to slop up your blood puddle from the street.

 

No, that is NOT what I'm saying. And you have a bad habit of twisting what people say into the worst possible light, with absolutely no indication that your twisted interpretation is anywhere near our stated version. This is pure hyperbole and a very poor way to have a discussion on an issue.

When two armed people attack a solo unarmed person by surprise, using the impact of the shock of sudden violence, the outcome is all but set. I do not blame or impugn the courage of the victim in any way.

I am presenting a viable and pragmatic change that could be rapidly made, and accepted by British society, which would have a significant impact and deterring future attacks of a similar nature.

Suggesting that the U.K. suddenly adopt American style gun rights is NOT a practical solution.

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Just imagine how many people those maniacs would have killed if they had a few assault rifles and a backpack of 30 round magazines.
It's gonna happen here, sooner than later.

 

The person you are responding to made an ignorant assumption.

I heard the two terrorists ran the Sergeant down from behind with their car then they got out and began hacking him.

And as badly as I feel for him and his family, I also feel badly for the guys in his unit who likely want some Muslim or Nigerian blood. Or Nigerian-Muslim blood.

 

This is exactly why I posted this thread awhile back.

http://www.politicalforum.com/western-europe/298331-how-does-anyone-take-english-cops-seriously.html

Because I don't see how stuff like this doesn't happen more often. How in the hell are bad guys going to respect the law if there is no immediate threat of being shot for breaking it? Criminal scum only understands force. If you don't have force to defend yourself from thugs, you're pretty much (*)(*)(*)(*)ed.

 

Exactly what "Ignorant Assumption" have I made?

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first off, these two guys where insane - they were rationale individuals who truly believe they were justified by divine law to do this. look up the old testament - it's filled with "prophets" being approved to do evil because it was given the green light by their deity.

secondly, i agree with your comment about the assault weapons - what happened was horrible and evil, and if these guys were packing heat a lot more would be gone right now

 

They hand guns the police came up and shot them, sounds like guns to me.

 

Pure speculation. Based on nothing. Had the victim been armed, there's just as much reason to believe he'd still be alive. All it would have taken would have been two bullets and the threat would have been neutralized. People in America defend themselves, their families, and their homes with guns like this everyday. But you'd never know it because the media never reports those stories. They only seem to report the statistical anomaly mass shootings. Which they then bombard us with coverage about for weeks or months at a time. And make no mistake, they are completely a statistical anomaly comparatively. They are so rare, in fact, that you can likely count them all off the top of your head without even having to look them up. Not so with successful self-defense stories.

While you're complaining about lies, you might want to hold the proper people accountable. Because I've got news for you. It's not the "gun nuts" that are lying to you. It's the media and the chicken little gun-grabbers. The emotional knee-jerk anti-NRA lobby. People who aren't even interested in looking at facts because the facts might interfere with their agenda. The inconvenient truth that you're not addressing here is that guns are only the problem just as often as they are the solution because of the black market. Crack down on the black market, and you clean up the vast majority of the problem. Rights protected, criminals disarmed.

 

ummm how am I twisting your words if I asked you and gave you the option to clarify? I got it, mop handles, broom sticks and courage should be enough to fend off attackers, no guns required.

 

You actually just made the point against your own argument. Based on the brits police force and time to respond to a situation you had better hope terrorists don't smuggle a single illegal AK-47 into the UK and decide to use it as they would be completely defenseless against it. You see criminals don't need gun permits especially ones that are willing to die for their cause, all they need is the illegal weapon and the will to use it and Brits are in deep deep doo doo. Who could stop them? No one. Ill wager there are terrorists everywhere right now looking at how easy it is/was to make their political views known by killing Londoners. Still gets world stage attention without any resistance. I mean, the guy even had time to give a frign speech AT THE SCENE OF THE MURDER! Seriously wtf is wrong with the police there?