Amazing how many experts we have in this field, especially on these boards, which are generally occupied by adolescents and/or retirees. Are you maintaining that anyone can learn to use a gun against other human beings easily, and will not require much further practice to keep that level of skill?, or are you saying that most people will take the trouble to learn those skills and practice assiduously? Oh, and no, I didn't realize you had such a high level of gunnery skills. Though why I should care if you were Charton Heston's ghost is beyond me. I can say what I've heard from just about anyone who I've ever read on the subject. Just because I've never been to the Moon doesn't mean I can't know anything about our erstwhile natural satellite.
I think the people against gun rights would have more support if this only applied to people that used a gun in a crime in the past, not for someone that say stole a car when they were a teen because someone was dumb enough to leave the keys in it.... .
Well now, the VPC is a known gun control organization and is it any wonder that all the liberal outlets took this up as a, GASP, horror? I guess since the largest group of felons as percentage of population are blacks and many liberals claim it is all wrong and they are being targeted isn't it funny that they are now championing keeping the 'oppressed by the man' people from owning a gun for self defense?
Oh... Look, we can and quite often do impose additional and even lifelong penalties on people. If you take away a doctor"s license for egregious misconduct he generally is going to find it very hard to get it reinstated. (It DOES happen, but it's unusual) and this is a person's LIVELIHOOD, something he has worked long and hard to obtain and very often defines his being. How much more then ought we to be unconcerned when the right in question is something which is almost BEYOND trivial in its real importance to anyone's life. Like I say, the vast majority of people spend their entire lives without ever having to use a gun in self-defense, why should any one person, including a convicted felon, be concerned about it? It only takes once? Hey, it only took one felony And is it hard to get that flag unwrapped after you make those speeches like at the end there?
Of course I encourage owners of firearms to get training, and not just because I make money when they do. The more comfortable one is with their gun handling skills, the more confident they will be if a defensive gun use is necessary. That being said, everyday we read about people that successfully use their firearms to defend themselves and their families. I'd be Willing to bet many have no training. Not everyone is comfortable with having a firearm in their home. They make the decision not to have one. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. However, these people should not criticize those who choose to legally own a gun and exercise the option to protect their families if needed.
I am a retiree from the DOJ. fortunately I am an heir of Ohio's oldest millionaire family so I could afford to retire early. Now I spend most of my time coaching kids in an olympic shooting sport and shooting ISU trap and "steel".. at 56 I have yet to lose -in three years-to someone older than me in pistol speed shooting and I am winning roughly 60% of the matches held in this area. OC is the real thing, something I, with heavy ties to USPSA can ascertain. And yes, gun banners are invariably ignorant about this subject and are often incredibly dishonest about their goals
Hey, good for you. How this has any relevance here beyond giving you another chance to bash those who want common sense to be used in gun regulations is beyond me
When you're talking the government doing it, when you're talking ENUMERATED RIGHTS, no we should not be doing it. Being a doctor? Not a right even if you hold an MD. You see there is a LICENSE required from a LICENSING BOARD (think AMA.) to JOIN THAT PROFESSION. Joining a particular profession or continuing to hold a license in a particular profession after violating one of the rules of that profession, are not enumerated rights. Ah see there is your problem. Its not important to your life therefore it must not be important to anyone's. Those that have used a gun in self defense would tend to argue that point with you. Hell those that have read the constitution and see you trying to treat as a license an enumerated right would tend to argue that point with you as well. You get that right? You're trying to treat a clearly enumerated right, that is UNIQUE in its prohibition against infringement, as a license or privilege and you don't see how that might rub folks way the wrong way? Why? Because its right there in plain english in the 2nd amendment which is part of the law of the land. If the law of the land is ignored in part then it can be ignored in parts more fully, or even entire. THAT is why people care. Would YOU care if I came into your voting booth and informed you who you would be voting for upon pain of death or imprisonment? Surely you would. This is like that. When you're a blessed patriot such as I who follows the Law of the Land, it unfurls like that at dramatic moments entirely on its own. Don't like the law of the land? Groovy, there is an amendment process. I'll need you and say about 200million of your closest friends to fill out some forms and write some letters to your congresscritters both state and federal. Should get the ball rolling.
There is nothing stating that a right cannot be restored through due process. - - - Updated - - - Not everyone is as fortunate as you are. Do not use yourself as the measuring stick for judging others.
gun banners constantly use the term "common sense" gun regulations so lets examine this a common sense gun regulation would have a measurable chance of doing something useful doing something useful is decreasing crime however, most gun banners only pretend that matters most of the laws they want actually impact ONLY people who are not misusing guns magazine limits, waiting periods, "assault weapon bans" "machine gun bans" etc only apply to people who can legally own guns so most of the stuff you claim are common sense laws have no sense whatsoever, common sense gun regulation is as follows 1) penalizes harmful misuse of weapons 2) enhances the penalty for those who use a firearm to further a crime of violence 3) bans firearms use or possession by those who have been proven-through due process of law-to be a danger to society 4) prohibits the dangerous use of firearms-such as local laws prohibiting someone from discharging a firearm for any reason short of an emergency, in an urban area. 5) prohibits the possession of firearms in areas where the presence of a firearm is likely to be a problem-such as in a prison but you gun banners want to push laws that only harass lawful owners
Government is largely comprised of nothing but criminals and thieves. See the civil asset forfeiture program for further evidence of such, where your property can be seized without the need of charging you with a crime.
If someone has proven that they are a danger to society at large, there is no legitimate reason for allowing them back into society where they can do the most damage. This is especially true when society at large is filled with many avenues in which firearms are easily accessible through illegal and uncontrollable channels. It has been seen countless times, and it will be seen countless more. Stripping someone of their constitutional rights does not prohibit them from carrying out a specific activity.
I don't disagree, my point is to all the stupid and silly things someone can do to land a felony. If the felony is non-violent, then what is the issue?
I'm a little confused, when does a felony has to be a violent crime ? Back during the good old days they use to hang horse thieves.
If constitutional right can be terminated through due process, there is nothing to stop them from being restored through due process as well. No court has ever held that once someone has had their constitutional rights severed, they can never be restored under any circumstances. What is being witnessed here is due process in action.
