“If Israel gives up Assad, he’s finished”

“If Israel gives up Assad, he’s finished”

This is a very curious take on the situation.

I am only going to post a couple of snippets.

“I believe Assad is still in power because Western powers are not convinced that Israel really wants to see a Syria without Assad. You are afraid of what will be the day after Assad falls. Don’t be afraid. Let him go, cut him loose. Assad’s fall will eliminate the link in the chain that ties Iran with Hezbollah in Lebanon. Not only would you be rid of an enemy, but you would also weaken two others.”

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The Free Syrian Army was formed on July 29, 2011. It started when a group of uniformed army officers who had deserted Assad’s military forces posted a video on YouTube. It was during that time that the army began massacring its citizens, per Assad’s orders.

This set off a chain reaction of desertions and an escalation of anti-government demonstrations.


Colonel Riad al-Asaad emerged as the supreme commander of the FSA. He declared that the former army officers stood by the Syrian people in their efforts to remove the regime and that any force that threatened or harmed innocent civilians would immediately become a legitimate target.


Two months later, the new military force made common cause with the “Free Officers Movement,” an organization that was also active in Syrian towns and cities. At a moment’s notice, these two organizations formed the most significant armed entity in the Syrian opposition’s battle against the Assad regime.

Operations against the government security forces, including attacks against military targets, proliferated, and what began as anti-Assad demonstrations had ballooned into a full-fledged war. By mid-January of this year, the FSA boasted a force of 40,000 deserters, although it is difficult to gauge the accuracy of this assessment.


Do you really have 40,000 people?


“This is the figure that we announced, but the number is actually smaller.”


And is this supposed to suffice against Assad’s vast, armed Syrian army?


“Yes, because the people are on our side. I admit that we are still at a distinct numerical disadvantage, both in manpower and equipment. That is why we are appealing to the international community for help. We cannot handle this alone.”


The Free Syrian Army is active in six of the country’s 14 provinces, including the suburbs of Damascus. Thus far, it has managed to inflict a large number of casualties on the Syrian Army. Deserters join its ranks in fits and spurts. Usually, groups of between five and 20 come on board.

The FSA’s weapons, most of which are light armaments, are obtained from deserters or from caches that were stolen from the Syrian army.

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“You have to understand, Syria is my homeland, my home. All of a sudden, I had a hard time recognizing it. It became poorer. People have had enough of living in poverty while those in the regime have an abundance of everything. This is a revolution for freedom, but it also erupted due to economic reasons. It is inconceivable for a small group of people to rule over the state coffers and control the media.”


Kamal said he never really believed Assad, and he remembers well the day he entered the presidential palace in 2000.

“It was remarkable how they changed the constitution within 15 minutes,” he said. “Bashar had not reached the age of 40, and the constitution stipulated that this was the minimum age one needed to be to serve as president. I remember how during the television broadcast of the ceremony in which he was sworn into office, my wife began crying bitterly.

She told me that she could not believe that after so many years of Hafez Assad, we are in store for more of the same with his son. Back then, I laughed at all the people who said that Bashar would bring the younger generation closer to modernity. Indeed – only five percent of Syrians have access to the Internet.”

 

A little more...

“I’m going to repeat what I said to you earlier. Syrian society is not religious. It is an extremely diverse population. We not only have Sunnis and Shiites, but we also have Christians, Armenians, Ashuris, and Druze. All of these groups do not want a religious state. There may be countries in the region who are interested in seeing Syria split into different parts. There may even be those who see Syria’s dismemberment as a solution to the Kurdish problem. But we are adamantly opposed to this. We want neither the Muslim Brotherhood nor the Salafis. Syria is not Egypt. I believe that no more than 10 percent of the population would vote for the Muslim Brotherhood if there were elections. From my vantage point, replacing the Assad regime with an Islamic regime would be going backwards. Is this why tens of thousands of people have been massacred?”

 

“No, we knew that wouldn’t work. Assad the father, just like the son, was not interested in peace with Israel. It contradicts their interest to survive and remain in power. They both wanted to lead a nation that has been instilled with a fear of the enemy and has been programmed to hate. That is why the Middle East must be rid of the Assad regime.”

 

Im always amazed reading on the power so many Muslims think the Jews/Israel have, you really think Europe gives a (*)(*)(*)(*) about what Israel wants ? Assad is there because Europeans THINK its what Israel wants ? we cant build a toilet in Jerusalem without summoning an emergency EU meeting to condemn it

 

Its very curious to me as well. I can't say I understand what he's saying.

 

Rather than speculating and dreaming of possible reasoning going on in the minds of Middle Eastern minds...perhaps we all need to simply accept the insanity and need for violence found in the deeply instilled mentality represented and leave it to the mess it has created for itself. These people DO NOT wants western influences of actions and will react in the only way they are familiar with...more violence and insanity, as well as increased hatred. The ONLY time is would seem they want western actions would be when they want something from us...and the payment for this is eventual violent hatred.
Even those you try to help make enemies out of the folks that hate THEM and those helped will turn on you as soon as you stop helping them...there is absolutely no win with this situation and the only way to be safe is to leave them alone in every way (Aid Included), watch them closely from afar to verify they are not trying to bring the violence here, hope for the best and let them know we are watching very closely through a sniper rifle scope.

 

To the OP. Quit with these nonsense conspiracy theory threads

 

You mean sane like the US invasion of Iraq?

 

It seems that any time a critique of Middle Eastern mentality is presented you feel the need to inject the stupidity of others to lessen the impact. I note you simply ignored my entire commentary and instead of addressing it sideline to something everyone already knows was also stupidity. Also noted would be the ongoing inability of Iraq to function do to the issues I brought up in my comments.

 

Look who wrote it and where it was published, genius.

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"Middle Eastern Mentality"??? What do you call the mentality that demanded the invasion of Iraq?

 

Them Jewish groups like AIPAC make it so that Israel can ethnic cleanse and thieve around from Arabs. Let's not kid ourselves with that.

 

Indeed. Because them Christian/Jewish fascists invaded Iraq previously, removed their government, the law and order from the face of the earth. And in that utter chaos and anarchy they let ISIS to be born. Let's not kid ourselves with that, that the fanatic terrorists from the west got blood on their hands by the millions with their geopolitical / neo-colonial ways. It really is a no brainer that their world would be much better off without the "policing" of those violently above the law placing western extremists.

 

I dont see it any diffrent from other land disputes around the world where Europe and US arent being decisive, in fact they are much more involved in Israel than in other disputes. Jewish lobby cannot affect anything unless it has mutual intrests to begin with.

 

Israel continues to get US foreign aid .. build Jewish-only housing in the West Bank, destroy Arab homes and olive groves.

 

Sorry, who does all the killings and who needs a ruthless dictator to have a sort of a functioning society ? surly not the Christian/Jewish masters.

 

It doesnt help your claim to go in what Israel does or not, the principle is the Eu and US get involved much more with Isra-Pal dispute than with others.

 

Pure imagination, not a shred of evidence.
This thread boils down to the old Antisemitic thought that Jews rule the world.
There is nothing to be hysteric about, Israel is still a tiny spec in the middle east with hundred of millions of Arabs killing each other all around it.

 

Assad may be re-elected.


2014 elections showed how popular he was among the majority of Syrian

Presidential elections were held in Syria on 3 June 2014. It was the first multi-candidate election in decades since the Ba'ath party came to power in a coup. In late April 2014, Bashar al-Assad announced he would run for a third term in Syria's first multi-candidate direct presidential election.

As a result of the ongoing Syrian Civil War, Syria has the largest refugee population in the world, and voting for refugees in certain foreign countries began at Syrian embassies several days before voting took place in Syria itself.[1] Domestic and foreign-based Syrian opposition groups boycotted the election,[1][2] and the vote did not take place in large parts of Syria under rebel control.[3] The areas under Kurdish militia control also did not allow voting, though some people still traveled to Assad regime held areas to vote.[4]

Some rebel groups vowed to disrupt the elections in any way possible, including bombing and shelling polling stations and government-controlled areas.[5][6][7][8] Another statement, issued by the Ajnad al-Sham Islamic Union, the Sham Corps, the Army of Mujahedeen, and the Islamic Front, said they would not "target voters but warned people to stay at home in case the Syrian government did". There were 50 reported deaths from the shelling by the rebels

 

Last time I checked, the ruthless dictators like Saleh, Gadaffi, Mubarak, Sisi, Shah of Iran, Saddam Hussein etc all were heavy sponsored by the Christians and Jews... giving them millions and weapons to massacre their population into submission. It's what them Christian/Jews always have been up to ever since they started their terror colonial reign over the world.

 

Tell that to the Serbs who got bombed into submission, or Sudan whose country got split into 2. Russia annexed the Krim, and got this Russian thing going on in the east of Ukraine. Not much different from the Jews who annexed Jerusalem in the full and got their Jews in the WB. Russians get sanctioned all over for it. Jews can go forth with their ethnic cleansing ways.

Seems you're just closing your eyes so you don't see it.
And there is no mutual interest for the West for letting Jews to ethnic cleanse in the WB.

 

The Syrian that was interviewed for this article is FSA.. and Sunni.. He apparently believes that Assad and the Alawite clan do not want peace with Israel in order to maintain power, but the Likkud does..

That's puzzling to me .. First because its absurd to think a failed state on your borders is a good thing.. Yet that is how its always been... WHO in their right minds wants an impoverished, tumultuous neighbor?

And now we have Israel licking its chops over exploiting oil reserves in occupied Golan Heights.

 

As stated and understandably clear ANYONE wishing to engage in the actual discussion...STUPID!

Perhaps you will better understand this:

The Invasion of Iraq was a terrible mistake and a reactionary action based on twisted if not manufactured truths and manipulation of an entire population for personal satisfaction for United States leadership which caused great destabilization of a region that requires brutal leadership to maintain minimal order, by removing this control of the people violence and pent up hatreds were free to do what they inevitably do when unchecked.

Is that better? And can we return to the tread topic?

 

The west doesn't care as much for Israel as you think. The Obama administration is at best indifferent to Israel, and no one can seriously claim that the EU is a friend of Israel. To be frank, when I see stuff like this, claiming that the west somehow works for Israel, I just dismiss it as anti-semitism or anti-israelism or whatever you want to call it. It's just a ridiculous notion. The truth is that it's basically only parts of the GOP in the US which really like Israel. Most others in the west are either indifferent or hostile to various degrees. I don't think the west cares much at all about what Israel thinks right now. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the Israelis are huge fans of what we did in Egypt or libya, or the deal with Iran.

 

lol I have noticed that in your conversation too.

It has been nice to not hear all the anti-semitism because of ISIS. Gotta be honest that may be the one positive thing from those monsters.

 

The Christians / Jews will trade with anyone that rules the country althou they would prefer him to be Democratic, those that helped those dictators up are their own ppl, the US and Israel also traded with Mursi and today the US trades with Iran. so stop projecting your problems on Christians / Jews.