“Jerusalem Countdown: A Prelude to War”

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  1. Margot

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    This truly repulsive stuff.. passing itself off as Chritianity.. What the h*ll has happened to Americans? John Hagee is a monster.

    http://open.salon.com/blog/judy_man...ce_when_is_john_hagee_a_true_friend_of_israel

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    In his book “Jerusalem Countdown: A Prelude to War,” Hagee argues that Jews are responsible for anti-Semitism and their destruction at the hands of the Nazis: “It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God's chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day....

    How utterly repulsive, insulting, and heartbreaking to God for His chosen people to credit idols with bringing blessings He had showered upon the chosen people. Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of anti-Semitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come.... it rises from the judgment of God upon his rebellious chosen people.”

    In a sermon he delivered in the late 1990s, Hagee not only claimed that both Theodor Herzl and Adolf Hitler were sent by God to drive the Jewish people out of their homes and back to the Promised Land, but that Jews have no right to live anywhere outside of Israel:

    Now how is God going to bring them back to the land? The answer is fishers and hunters.

    The answer is given in Jeremiah 16, verse 15 and following. God says in Jeremiah 16 - “Behold I will bring them the Jewish people again unto their land that I gave unto their fathers” - that would be Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - “Behold I will send for many fishers and after will I send for many hunters. And they the hunters shall hunt them” - that will be the Jews - “from every mountain and from every hill and from out of the holes of the rocks.” If that doesn't describe what Hitler did in the Holocaust... you can't see that. So think about this - I will send fishers and I will send hunters. A fisher is someone who entices you with a bait.

    How many of you know who Theodore Herzl was? How many of you don't have a clue who he was? WOO... Sweet God! Theodore Herzl is the father of Zionism. He was a Jew that at the turn of the 19th century said - “this land is our land, God wants us to live there”. So he went to the Jews of Europe and said, “I want you to come and join me in the land of Israel”. So few went, Herzl went into depression.

    Those who came founded Israel; those who did not went through the hell of the Holocaust. Then god sent a hunter. A hunter is someone who comes with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter. And the Bible says – Jeremiah, righty? - “they shall hunt them from every mountain and from every hill and out of the holes of the rocks,” meaning: there's no place to hide. And that will be offensive to some people. Well, dear heart, be offended: I didn’t write it. Jeremiah wrote it. It was the truth and it is the truth. How did it happen? Because God allowed it to happen. Why did it happen? Because God said, “my top priority for the Jewish people is to get them to come BACK to the land of Israel”. Today Israel is back in the land and they are at Ezekiel 37 and 8. They are physically alive but they’re not spiritually alive. Now how is God going to cause the Jewish people to come SPIRITUALLY alive and say, ‘the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, He is God’?”

    Think this is all in the past? Think again. Hagee is also a powerful proponent of a joint US-Israeli nuclear attack on Iran as a prelude to “Rapture.” In a 2006 radio interview with Terry Gross on “Fresh Air,” Hagee said: “Iran's nuclear weapons have been produced with Russian scientists.

    The Islamic Arabs are using the Roadmap to Peace to get all of the land of Israel they can get. And when Israel finally says, ‘Enough!’ you’re going to see the beginning of the implementation of Ezekiel’s war in 38:39. The critical point is the church is raptured before this war begins. I am telling you that makes this message one of the most thrilling prophetic messages you’ve ever heard in your life.”

    But not to worry - the coming war won't kill everyone in the Middle East. In “Jerusalem Countdown” Hagee writes: “"Who is this remnant [those who will survive]? First, it’s obvious that all of that remnant is Jewish... God promises that by his sovereign grace a ‘remnant’ would be saved by the grace of God, a group of survivors who have the opportunity to receive Messiah, who is a rabbi known to the world as Jesus Christ.”

    (For much more on Hagee's crackpot statements and personal hypocrisy, click here.)

    And on and on and on. So if this nutcase and his Rapture-ready followers are Israel’s “true friends,” than all I can say is: with friends like these… You get the picture.
     
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    Fyi......................
     
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    Looking at scripture, would the Assyrians plundered the Israelites if it were not for their rebellion? Would the Babylonians have done the same and then take them all away captive? Would the Jewish people have been scattered to the wind in Western Europe if it were not for their rebelllion? No.

    Of course, it is a far different thing to say that God wanted this to happen to them.
     
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    I agree.. another problem with Hagee is that he has decided that Jesus was not the Messiah. I find it very confusing.. but he claims Moses was the Messiah.
     
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    Do you have a link?
     
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    http://carm.org/john-hagee-denies-jesus-claimed-to-be-the-messiah

    The problem, however, is with his new book "In Defense of Israel" where Dr. Hagee apparently states that Jesus was not the Messiah. If you were to go to youtube.com2 you can hear where Dr. Hagee speaks regarding his book and says his book, In Defense of Israel, will prove that "Jesus did not come to Earth to be the Messiah," (20 seconds in) and that "...since Jesus refused by word and deed to claim to be the Messiah how can the Jews be blamed for rejecting what was never offered?" (32 seconds in). Obviously, this is a huge problem.

    Hagee defines 'Messiah' as political deliverer

    So, instead of making my judgment on a one minute sound bite, I bought the book and went through it. I didn't read the whole thing. Instead, I went to the section (Chapter 10, pages 121-169) where he dealt with Jesus as the Messiah. In short, Hagee takes several pages to characterize the Jewish idea of the Messiah as being a political deliverer who was supposed to free Israel from Roman oppression.

    This is very significant. Hagee defines Messiah not as a spiritual deliverer, but as a political one. To substantiate his position, Hagee calls Moses the messiah of Israel and speaks of the political deliverance of Israel from Egyptian oppression. Note what Hagee says in his book:
     
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    This blame it on the victims argument is disgusting. They exist, and some people don't want them too, that's what causes the racism. Sad as it is.

    Everybody has a right to exist and nobody has the right to deny that existence.

    What they do with it is another matter.
     
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    Hagee has become an extremist. He has his own political agenda, the worst thing is that he peaches his political views in his sermons. Hagee has fallen.
     
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    I couldn't agree more.. but note that he has a huge following in his Mega Church and his own television show.
     

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