“Trust But Diversify” says Frank Mckenna (about Ethical Oil)

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Should the pipeline from Canada be approved before the presidential election?

  1. Yes for Keystone XL Pipeline

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  2. No for Keystone XL Pipeline

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    42.9%
  1. Onward James

    Onward James New Member

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    “U.S. president Ronald Reagan once said in connection with negotiations with the Russians, “Trust but verify.” In the context of Canada’s energy relationship with the United States, the principle can be modified to: “Trust but diversify.” It is through diversification that we will extract the best prices for our resources and in turn derive the greatest public benefit.” Frank McKenna, former premier of New Brunswick and ambassador to the United States.

    Canada should, and could, be oil rich such as Texas during the heyday and OPEC combined. We have oil sands, and off-shore oil, as well as shale.

    The Keystone XL pipeline should also go East and West for our citizens and access for other countries, not just South to America. After Obama loses to one of the GOP candidates things will immediately change and improve.

    Perhaps new refineries might be built in Canada, regardless that they are costly and will take time. In the meantime, they could improve the existing ones.

    Our wonderful country could shine even more.

    I agree with what Frank Mckenna stated in his stirring and hopefully effective article in the National Post.


    Don’t put all oil in U.S. basket - Frank McKenna
    http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/issuesideas/basket/5781525/story.html

    "Canada must open up pipeline access to both east and west coasts."

    www.ethicaloil.org

    Ethical Oil comments in Conservative forum Blue Canada
    http://www.bluecanada.ca/topic/20781-ethicaloilorg/
     
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    botenth Banned

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    Windpower, solar and electric cars is the wave of the future.
     
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    Canada has to rip out thousands of acres of forest and dig up thousands of acres of dirt to get to these oil sands... and they have to use millions of tons of water as well.

    It make be necessary, but I sure feel badly for them.
     
  4. Onward James

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    Neither one of the two forum members really have a clue. They do not know where the oilsands are. The First Nations accepred them and work there, too.

    Furthermore, they have no idea that oil is even used for their make-up, and many other things. Fossil fuel will be around because it is necessary.

    And do they realize that America purchases oil from the unethical Hugo Chavez's country. I didn't think so.
     
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    GOP pulls out big guns for Keystone. Bravo Republicans!

    Republican senators hope to speed up Keystone pipeline - Mark Dunn
    http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2011/11/30/19042036.html

    OTTAWA - Canadian crude was the talk of Washington on Wednesday after a powerful group of Republican lawmakers introduced a bill to force the White House to retreat on stalling the Keystone XL pipeline.

    The bill would require the U.S. State Department to issue a permit within 60 days to allow the $7 billion project to proceed if passed in the Democrat-controlled Senate, and not vetoed by President Barack Obama in the name of "national interest."

    The legislation also takes into account environmental and state concerns, a new route through Nebraska to avoid an aquifer, national security implications, and reinforces years of reviews supporting the project opposed by actors and activists.

    If the North American Energy and Security Act is rejected, it would give Republicans ammunition to cast Obama - whose approval ratings sunk to new lows this week - as a job-killing president.

    Obama pulled the plug on the pipeline last month until after next fall's election - a delay critics say was to appease environmentalists and bagmen among his base who have threatened to withhold financing for his re-election bid. <P sizcache="0" sizset="38">Republicans say Obama is more concerned about his job than creating tens of thousands of others to help a struggling economy and 9% unemployment.
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    "This is a big-time job creator at a time when we need the jobs to get our economy going, but also to reduce our dependence on oil from the Middle East," North Dakota Sen. John Hoeven said at a news conference.

    Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver was hopeful the TransCanada project - that would create 20,000 jobs in the U.S. and many more in Alberta's oilpatch - would move forward on merit.

    "Our perspective is the sooner the better," he said.

    TransCanada spokesman Shawn Howard applauded the GOP initiative.

    "The proposed Keystone XL pipeline is the largest, shovel-ready infrastructure project in the U.S. and it will create thousands of jobs and spur economic growth across the United States."

    The official Opposition NDP is opposed to oilsands development and has lobbied officials in Washington to kill Keystone, saying the production of bitumen-rich crude produces unacceptable levels of pollutants. Mark.Dunn@sunmedia.ca [/SIZE][/FONT]
     
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    Wind solar and electric cars are well over 50 years old each. Not one or all of them together have ever produced one profitable erg of energy yet. Nor WILL they ever. The answers to fossil fuels are hydroelectric, nuclear and hydrogen, or some as yet unknown source.
    Wind and solar are excellent standby power sources for light demands.

    Spending one more cent on electric cars is stupid. Battery technology is 250 YEARS OLD. In all that time, how many non-toxic batteries have been produced? ZERO, none, nada.
    A PRACTICAL electric car is NOT going to happen. Hybrid cars are all that will EVER exist.
    But all electric cars, hybrids or not need fossil fuels in order to be produced*.
    Need fossil fuels to recharge.
    Need fossil fuel when the VERY short battery range is exhausted.
    Need a large heavy, expensive toxic battery. That will HAVE to be replaced in 400 cycles at a cost in excess of $15,000. And produces half a ton, OR MORE, of toxic waste.

    The way to replace fossil fuel powered cars is hydrogen, not electric.

    *LESS than 8% of all our power needs are produced by wind, wave, solar, and hydroelectric now. Fossil fuels now provide the bulk of our energy needs.
     

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