”Moderates” who won’t condemn Muslims cutting off hands, are they “extremists”?

Didn't the Jesus character say that you should gouge out your eyes and cut off your hand to keep from sinning? Darn right he did.

Matthew 5:29-30(TLB) = 29 So if your eye—even if it is your best eye![a]—causes you to lust, gouge it out and throw it away. Better for part of you to be destroyed than for all of you to be cast into hell.30 And if your hand—even your right hand—causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. Better that than find yourself in hell.

So, get to gouging and cutting or you will end up in hell. If you don't obey you don't love Jesus and he carries a mean grudge.

 

The last verse of Matthew 5: (after countless other do's and do nots)

"48 ye shall therefore be perfect, as your Father who [is] in the heavens is perfect."

I will indeed gouge out my eye before I claim to be as perfect as God.

Thats the real problem with quoting scripture. Its rarely meaningful without context. In this case, you quoted a few sentences from a long sermon by Jesus, and in doing so, skipped over the point He was trying to make so you could make your own. Not unlike many pastors and preachers and preists are like to do to get folks to donate more money...

Also, the translation you quoted said 'hell', but the original (literal) specified 'gehenna' which is not historically synonomous with hell (just fyi).

 

Why is it true believers claim any certainty for anything in scripture when we know aeons of mistranslation, expurgation and downright forgery constitute a substantial portion of that collection of myths known as the bible. The human terror of uncertainty and absolute terror of being mortal may have something to do with it but I suspect that’s not a full explanation.

As to taking passages out of context to support an argument I’ll happily do it myself as it’s been a weapon fired from the pulpit since forever.

 

Let me poll these three people and I’ll get back to you.

 

So, you communicate with The Father, Son & Holy Ghost? We’ll all be interested to hear what they have to say.

 

Talked to them all and they already know you’re an agent of SATAN!

 

Flattery will get you nowhere.

 

Because belief is faith. A part of that faith is in accepting that God wouldn't allow His word to be altered beyond usefullness.

Deliberately decontextualizing something to remake its point is incredibly dishonest... What purpose is there in fighting lies with more lies?

 

A thorought study of the bible, especially the Old Testament, reveals we have inherited a series of writings in which alterations, substrations and additions over the centuries have been enacted by mebers of our own species. If the is a God what makes you imagine it would :-
A: Speak in terms you could even begin to understand.
B: What makes you imagine such a being would reveal anything like the truth?
C: Bother to address our species considering according to stock standard Christian theology the taint of original sin (part of God’s omniscient design anyway) was redeemed on the cross by God torturing his son. Yet still our species commits intold evil. And don’t take the convenient cop out of Satan being responsible. Satan, if you swallow Christian theology was the Almight’s creation anyway.
The lost could go on .
D.How to you know you theory of an “All loving Gos” isn’t just wishful thinking?

 

He would, logically, speak in terms we could understand because otherwise theres no purpose in speaking at all. I've no doubt theres things we can't understand, which is likely why He leaves so many questions unanswered.
Its also likely that part of our 'journey' is to discover some things for ourselves, possibly even create our own answers to certain questions.

Faith.

Of course its possible that God is a malevolent liar and seeks to mislead us, but theres nothing we could do to prevent that if it were the case. We'd simply be F'd.

What motive could God have for lying, when He could simply force us to do whatever He wants, or 'poof' us from existance?

Free Will. If we're not free to make a wrong choice, we have no choice.

I don't. Not in the 'verifiable' sense of knowing something. I have faith. I feel it to be true.

 

The biblical God character is a scumbag. He is far from perfect unless it is being a scumbag. He is perfect at that.

 

I took you for an atheist... but thats quite a lot of animosity toward something that doesnt exist. Perhaps you're an 'anti-theist'?

 

I wish they would speak up, but probably like the Christians in Germany when Hitler was killing Jews stayed silent, probably in fear they woudl be next, or the I don't want to get involved mentality

they need to forget these parts of the koran, they are like the OT, Jews ignore this stuff, so can they

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+24:16&version=KJV

"

Leviticus 24:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.
"

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+20:10&version=KJV

"
Leviticus 20:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
"

many other examples

 

but the God you believe in gave those orders correct, the fact he may of later changed his mind doesn't negate that

but yes, it was the Jewish OT that had those quotes and both Christianity and Musliminity evolved from that religion - thus same God

my point is Jews ignore those words from God, Muslims should too

 

To use another decontextualisation 2nd Thessalonians Ch 2 : V 11 may shed some light.

 

For recontextualization: 2 Thesalonians was written by Paul, and was intended for a group of Christians in Thessalonica who had stopped living their daily lives because they were certain that the second coming was at hand. Basically the first Christian 'end of the world' cult.

It seems to me that Paul was trying to unravel their 'cultiness' by getting them to look with more scrutiny at whomever was deceiving them. The difference between "
shall God send to them a working of delusion, for their believing the lie, that they may be judged" and
'shall a false messenger send to them a working of delusion claiming God's authority, for their believing the lie, they may be judged' is only a signifigant one to a brainwashed cultist. In any event, that is indeed one good reason why God may try to decieve us (or allow us to be deceived)- to get us to more vigilantly scrutinize against even worse deceipt.

Of course its also possible that Paul was wrong. Or it wasn't Paul. Or it wasn't translated accurately. Or God is evil and trying to decieve us. The Bible is ultimately a personally interpreted text. As with everything important in life, its neither simple nor easy.

 

I agree with your analyis, as far as we can know. I suspect it wasn’t Paul. A lot of Paul isn’t, which takes us back to the verse and what it may tell us used out of context.

 

There over 60 requirements for the theft and the thief to fulfill for the law to allow the cutting off of his hand. Which is why most Muslims have two hands.

 

Whatever the Bible claims that Jesus or God said, is pure fiction. Neither one of them wrote the Bible

 

Americans execute people. Enough said!

 

They will say the same thing.

 

The extremist is the one that chops your head off. The moderate is the one that ties your hands behind your back and sharpens the sword.

 

The question is rhetorical methinks ... sans to those who belong in the funny farm.

Anyone who condones or supports making law on the basis of "God says so"/ religious belief. - is an extremist.

 

Doesn't work to well for women.