‘So many bishops’ disagree with Francis but are ‘afraid’ to say so

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Do you think that Pope Francis could be ahead of church doctrine and tradition in at least some case

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  3. Definitely...... (but I am not Roman Catholic so I might be biased)

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am not Roman Catholic and although I did seriously consider becoming Catholic I doubt that that would be easy for me....... or for your church but........ I have gotten an impression of the teachings of Pope Francis that..........

    do seem to fit with an interesting and powerful prediction by Messiah Yeshua - Jesus.

    John 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father."

    So..... it seems that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus who did not write much for us......
    but only spoke teachings to obviously flawed and human disciples........
    plans on somehow...... in the future..... "show us plainly of the Father?!"

    OK.... so now in 2019 is this happening??????

    Are we in these "latter days" receiving teachings even more clear than those of the Bible???????


    Is the being of light of near death experience fame... none other than Messiah Yeshua - Jesus.... especially in a case where there is a valid Life Review??????

    I will leave you for the moment with a few paragraphs from a near death experiencer who was an Atheist at the time of his NDE:

    So.... is it possible for Jews to go to heaven......
    without having been baptized as Roman Catholic.... or of a denomination of Christianity?????

    One of the names of Yeshua - Jesus is after all... Moshiach!

    I get into this topic from this angle because I have read some of Pope Francis teachings on this that could be confusing..... .and could be closer to what he may have read in a near death experience account than in either the Bible or in church doctrine and for the record..... I am giving Pope Francis some credit for perhaps being closer to the understanding of the plain and simple teachings that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus predicted than we might tend to imagine at first!????


    Here is why I mention the Life Review part of a near death experience:

    Douay-Rheims Bible, Baruch Chapter 6
    [6] For my angel is with you: And I myself will demand an account of your souls.
    (Baruch 6:6)

    Is the Life Review of a valid near death experience G-d demanding an account of our souls??????



    "For neither doth the Father judge any man, but hath given all judgment to the Son."
    [John 5:22]

    "And he hath given him power to do judgment, because he is the Son of man."
    [John 5:27]

    Former Atheist Howard Storm did have what sure impresses me as a very real Life Review as one important part of his near death experience.

    Pope Francis may be tapping into information that is truly important..... but.... seemingly new truths on important topics such as salvation in spite of not being properly baptized.... according to R. C. tradition??????


    3. The Life Review of Howard Storm



    Papal interviewer: ‘So many bishops’ disagree with Francis but are ‘afraid’ to say so
     
  2. drifter106

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    Anybody can go to Heaven, Catholics are not the only ones. Many people need to repent, change the way they live and how they treat other people.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I began to study near death experience accounts in 1989 or 1990....
    my research began with an article that was in Psychology Today......

    My research got me kicked out of The Worldwide Church of God that I had
    been a member of since I was a teenager.......
    but getting closer and closer to understanding the truth is always worth
    the negative consequences......

    Strangely enough that secular publication does a better job of objectively looking at NDE accounts than
    many churches do........
    The Roman Catholic Church deserves credit for tending to be much more open to
    these types of experiences than many Protestant denominations tend to be.

    Although this is not the first article that I read on the topic I am impressed with
    the tone that this later article takes:

    Will near death experience accounts transform psychiatry and psychology?

    Bright Lights, Big Mystery | Psychology Today
    http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200910/bright-lights-big-mystery?page=4

     
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    The RCC needs to change and the current pope is making some attempt at it. But he's faced with the conservatives. There are three main areas which need to be addressed:
    Overpopulation, afflicting the lives of hundreds of millions through the stupid teaching about contraception. There was an interview just now with an Argentinian woman who had 11 children she couldn't feed. I think the pope is from that country.
    Gay rights, afflicting the lives of millions of people by demonising gay people.
    The child sex abuse scandal and the coverups.

    All religions have a duty to exercise their power wisely and in the best interests of the people - that's all the people not just their own followers. Teachings need to be brought up to date, after all, we don't burn heretics at the stake anymore, or indulge in human sacrifice.
     
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    I do agree with you that IF the being of light of NDE fame is Messiah Yeshua - Jesus then
    all Christians have a lot to learn about how Christians should approach the LGBTQ community......

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/christian-andreason.html#a11

    When it comes to the population of the earth though I am of the belief that if
    certain technology, such as that indicated by what I have read about Nikola Tesla, were to be released.... this earth could handle perhaps a hundred billion people with no problem...... once our way of relating to each other.... and to our Creator is altered drastically.


    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a09

     
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    My bold. And therein lies the problem. Everybody wants everything, and bigger and better things than everyone else. This materialism is not sustainable, but try changing human nature. Of course god could do that, or he could have done a better job in the first place, but maybe he's gone missing......
    If we don't take action to limit the population, and stop crapping up the planet as well, there'll be nothing left for the generations to come.
     

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