‘War on Cops’ author Heather Mac Donald shouted down at UCLA by hysterical BLM protest

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    Should she sue? Should the university increase security at these events? Will they get worse?

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/32035/

    ‘War on Cops’ author Heather Mac Donald shouted down at UCLA by hysterical Black Lives Matter protest
    JENNIFER KABBANY - FIX EDITOR •APRIL 6, 2017
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    Protester: ‘You have no right to speak!’

    A speech by Heather Mac Donald at UCLA on Wednesday frequently descended into chaos as Black Lives Matter protesters stormed the stage and chanted their signature phrase over and over, and also took over portions of the Q&A with angry accusations and raucous shouting, a video of the event shows.

    Mac Donald, a Manhattan Institute scholar who spoke on campus at the behest of the Bruin Republicans to give a “Blue Lives Matter” talk about her 2016 book “The War on Cops,” appeared to be able to largely get through the first half of her speech without much dissension.

    But when she opened the floor to questions, the uproar began. The chants launched, with several people taking over the floor at the front of the room and continuing to yell over and over: “Black lives — they matter here! Black lives, they matter here!”

    Event organizers tried to calm the crowd and regain order. After the Black Lives Matter chant ended, several protesters remained at the front of the room, shouting and making gestures as a student organizer asked for calm. But they started up with more chants, including: “America was never great!”

    After the uproar — which lasted about eight minutes — finally died down, Mac Donald (pictured) fielded questions from the audience, including from a black female who asked her to speak on whether “black victims killed by cops” mattered.

    “Yes,” Mac Donald replied. “And do black children that are killed by other blacks matter to you?”

    At that the room erupted in gasps and angry moans and furious snaps, and the young lady who asked the original question began to yell at Mac Donald, pointing her finger and repeating the original question.

    Mac Donald, known and admired for her unapologetic stance to report facts over emotion, doubled down on the infuriated young black woman.

    “Of course I care, and do you know what,” Mac Donald said. “There is no government agency more dedicated to the proposition that black lives matter than the police.”

    Again, gasps and moans filled the auditorium.

    “Bullshit! Bullshit!” a young woman off camera could be heard screaming.

    Mac Donald continued: “The crime drop of the last 20 years that came to a screeching halt in August 2014 has saved tens of thousands of minority lives. Because cops went to those neighborhoods and they got the dealers off the street and they got the gang-bangers off the street.”

    Mac Donald took more questions and at times was able to articulate her points during the Q&A, but was also often interrupted by angry audience members shouting out things such as:

    “I don’t trust your numbers.”

    “Why do white lives always need to be put above everybody else? Can we talk about black lives for one second?”

    “The same system that sent police to murder black lives …”

    “You have no right to speak!”

    “What about white terrorism?!”

    And when Mac Donald talked about how mass immigration is driving down wages, the shouting down started up again: “Say it loud! Say it clear! Immigrants are welcome here!” Over and over they repeated the chant, making hearing Mac Donald’s points on the matter impossible.

    Mac Donald did acknowledge several problems with policing — including that police have a history of brutality toward blacks and that some officers need to act with more respect — but she added that policing is evolving to address those concerns, noting: “But I have not heard an answer for what we do with the 4,300 people who were killed in Chicago, or were shot last year in Chicago.”
     
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    Liberals are nothing more than spoiled children throwing tantrums in public.
     
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    Keep it up, 2018 is going to be another great election for the Rs..
     
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    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-silencing-of-heather-mac-donald-1491866320


    OPINION MAIN STREET
    The Silencing of Heather Mac Donald
    Lofty college statements on free speech are worthless without enforcement.

    By William McGurn
    Updated April 10, 2017 7:40 p.m. ET
    150 COMMENTS
    No one who knows her could ever describe Heather Mac Donald as a victim.

    Still, last Thursday night the Manhattan Institute scholar became the latest target of the latter-day Red Guards bringing chaos to so many American campuses. Ms. Mac Donald had been invited to talk about her book “The War on Cops” at Claremont McKenna College’s Marian Miner Cook Athenaeum. Among her arguments is that if you truly believe black lives matter, maybe you should recognize “there is no government agency more dedicated to the proposition” than the police who protect the law-abiding minority residents of high-crime neighborhoods.

    Heather Mac Donald.
    Heather Mac Donald. PHOTO: MANHATTAN INSTITUTE
    You can imagine how well that goes over. At City Journal, Ms. Mac Donald offers a first-person account of that ugly evening. The day before, she says, event organizers told her they were considering changing the venue to a building with fewer glass windows to break. Such are the considerations these days on the modern American campus.

    That evening Ms. Mac Donald ended up live-streaming her talk to a mostly empty auditorium as protesters outside banged on the windows and shouted. As a result, she could take only two questions before authorities deemed it prudent to hustle her out for her own security. As if out of central casting, the vice president for academic affairs and president of the college each issued mealy-mouthed statements supporting her.

    With one hopeful difference.

    In his note defending the university’s decision not to make arrests or force the hall open, CMC President Hiram Chodosh did say that students who blocked people from entering the Athenaeum “will be held accountable.” On Monday, a university spokeswoman, Joann Young, confirmed in an email that students found responsible face a range of sanctions including “temporary or permanent separation from the college.”

    If true these are welcome words. For the main reason our colleges and universities are increasingly plagued by these illiberal disturbances is that there are seldom hard consequences for those who commit them.

    At Yale, for example, when lecturer Erika Christakis sent an email declaring that students should make their own decisions about Halloween costumes—even when the costumes might be “a little bit obnoxious,” she wrote—it set off a storm of protest. Her husband, Nicholas Christakis, a master of one of Yale’s colleges, was surrounded by screaming students.

    Cue to today: Guess who’s still on campus—and who isn’t? The Christakises are gone, with what appears to be no adverse consequences for the screamers. To the contrary, Yale’s president sought to placate protesters with a new center focused on race, ethnicity and social identity.

    Claremont McKenna would do everyone a service if it made good on Mr. Chodosh’s promise to hold disrupters accountable. Unlike disputes over sexual assault that are also roiling our universities, protests that stop speakers from speaking are public and brazen, so there’s no excuse for handling these incidents in secret. If students are to get the message, the consequences must be relatively swift, clear—and public.

    Here Ms. Mac Donald asks a good question: Where are the faculty? Plenty of professors are willing to sign a high-minded statement on speech. But why don’t we ever see faculty backing up their words by coming out en masse to place themselves between speakers and the protesters who would shut them down?

    Today it’s common to lament the cheap and polarized politics in Washington. But no one asks whether this might have something to do with a generation of students indulged in the view that they should never have to hear an opinion different from their own. How much easier it is to bang on windows, block an entryway and drop your F-bombs than, say, engage the formidable Ms. Mac Donald in genuine argument.


    In his autobiography “Out of Step,” Sidney Hook spoke about his own academic trajectory. When he started out, he said, he believed that “intelligence was the supreme virtue.” But in the Vietnam era, when he watched faculty and administrators who knew better surrender to student radicals, Hook realized his mistake: He had, he said, taken “for granted the operation of moral courage.”

    Only a few months ago, Claremont McKenna signed on to the University of Chicago statement emphasizing an “institutional commitment to freedom of speech.” But Thursday night, it failed Ms. Mac Donald, the members of its community who were prevented from asking her questions, and its own principles. The college will fail again if it does not enforce the ground rules of university life against those who maraud across its campus with an intolerance fed by an overweening sense of righteousness.

    What these kids need—their behavior makes it hard to call them students—are college presidents and faculty with enough confidence to say: Check your privilege, or we’ll check it for you.

    Write to mcgurn@wsj.com.

    Appeared in the Apr. 11, 2017, print edition.
     
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    What war on cops?

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    I often wonder why people entertain trying to give a lecture here. You know it's going to be disrupted by the same whiny people, every time.
     
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    The University and the Professors themselves should be organizing and teaching these kids what free speech actually means. Their silence is nothing more than consent.
     
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    Yep, it's a waste of time. It's a fools errand trying to get them to change their mind about something that they want to believe in.
     
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    https://heatst.com/culture-wars/stu...ogize-for-hosting-fascist-heather-mac-donald/

    Students: Free Speech is for Bigots, College Must Apologize for Hosting ‘Fascist’ Heather Mac Donald
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    By Lukas Mikelionis | 6:15 pm, April 17, 2017

    A group of students at Pomona College in California has published an open letter urging the outgoing college president to retract his commitment to free speech as a way to “discover truth” because “objectivity” is a white supremacist myth.

    In the letter addressed to outgoing Pomona College President David Oxtoby, three self-identified black students slammed the president for claiming that the college is committed to freedom of speech and urged him to “take action” against journalists at the Claremont Independent, an on-campus newspaper.

    The letter comes in response to April 7 email from President Oxtoby who said the college is committed to “the exercise of free speech and academic freedom” following the protests against distinguished academic and Black Lives Matter critic Heather Mac Donald at next door Claremont McKenna College (which is part of the same Claremont Colleges system as Pomona) that led to the shutdown of the event.

    “Protest has a legitimate and celebrated place on college campuses,” President Oxtoby wrote in the email. “What we cannot support is the act of preventing others from engaging with an invited speaker. Our mission is founded upon the discovery of truth, the collaborative development of knowledge and the betterment of society.”

    The students, however, disagreed with the college’s position on free speech, saying free speech has been coopted by hegemonic powers.

    “Free speech, a right many freedom movements have fought for, has recently become a tool appropriated by hegemonic institutions,” the letter read. “It has not just empowered students from marginalized backgrounds to voice their qualms and criticize aspects of the institution, but it has given those who seek to perpetuate systems of domination a platform to project their bigotry.”

    Pomona College students then asked, citing the president’s email: “Thus, if ‘our mission is founded upon the discovery of truth,’ how does free speech uphold that value?”

    The group that released the letter also described the idea of objectivity as a “myth” and a white supremacist concept used against people of color. They wrote:

    Historically, white supremacy has venerated the idea of objectivity, and wielded a dichotomy of ‘subjectivity vs. objectivity’ as a means of silencing oppressed peoples. The idea that there is a single truth–’the Truth’–is a construct of the Euro-West that is deeply rooted in the Enlightenment, which was a movement that also described Black and Brown people as both subhuman and impervious to pain. This construction is a myth and white supremacy, imperialism, colonization, capitalism, and the United States of America are all of its progeny. The idea that the truth is an entity for which we must search, in matters that endanger our abilities to exist in open spaces, is an attempt to silence oppressed peoples.
    The letter claims that allowing Mac Donald to speak would have been not merely a debate with different opinions, but on “the right of Black people to exist.”

    It added: “Heather Mac Donald is a fascist, a white supremacist, a warhawk, a transphobe, a queerphobe, a classist, and ignorant of interlocking systems of domination that produce the lethal conditions under which oppressed peoples are forced to live.

    “Why are you [President Oxtoby], and other persons in positions of power at these institutions, protecting a fascist and her hate speech and not students that are directly affected by her presence?”

    The group ended the letter demanding an apology from the president of the college for standing up for free speech on campus and the release of a new statement saying that the college “does not tolerate hate speech and speech that projects violence onto the bodies of its marginalized students and oppressed peoples.”

    The students also demand that the college “takes action” — including expulsion from the college — against the staff of the student newspaper for perpetuating “hate speech, anti-Blackness, and intimidation toward students of marginalized backgrounds.”

    “Provided that the Claremont Independent releases the identity of students involved with this letter and such students begin to receive threats and hate mail, we demand that this institution and its constituents take legal action against members of the Claremont Independent involved with the editing and publication process as well as disciplinary action, such as expulsion on the grounds of endangering the wellbeing of others,” the letter demanded.
     
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    Because Leftists, most of all Black Leftists in these schools need to learn about different viewpoints, and most of all, they need to learn about tolerance and respect.
     
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    Those protesters are dumb.
     
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    A reasonable question with some reasonable support.

    The issue is not whether the speaker was right or wrong the issue is why none of these so called students can have a reasonable discussion with her and must instead disrupt other people trying to do so.

    Screaming is not a reasonable debate
     
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    So there are no bad cops out there?
     
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    I guess the students can't tell they are being bigots.

    Objectivity is a myth? Whoa. That's pretty damn stupid for a COLLEGE student to believe. That's scary.
     
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    They getting too uppity for you?
     
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    Our democracy doesn't function well when half the population is only exposed to leftist thought and thoroughly brainwashed.

    Conservatives are exposed to the MSM, so we see both sides of every issue. Liberals are not forced to listen to Rush Limbaugh.
     
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    It's fueled by decades of appeasement.
     
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    So I guess we're partially to blame.

    That's sad.
     
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    Sadder still, is that tuitions continue to rise, while admission standards decline. More "disadvantaged" students, spending gov't student loans / grants are becoming increasingly demanding, and exerting their economic muscle on university admins. With fewer real academics being represented on campus due to financial barriers, curriculum must be dumbed down to meet the needs of lesser students. Universities are bound to become mere extentions of failed public schools.
     
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    They need to get over themselves---and to stop using excuses and pointing fingers.

    Jim Crow and Slavery are long gone.

    Didn't Michael Jackson have a song about "The Morons in the Mirror?"
     

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