“...a Christian society would be what we now call Leftist.”- C.S. Lewis

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  1. Poohbear

    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Doesn't say he killed them.
    Jesus said the Jews would die in their sins, but it wasn't
    Jesus who destroyed the Jewish nation.
     
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    Read between the lines. Peter accused them of holding out and the next thing they were dead. That is some Mafia stuff.
     
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    I have read Peter's epistles. He doesn't seem like a "Mafia" figure.
    But by this logic there must be a lot of Mafia figures amongst those
    who are held up as God fearing people in the bible. Wouldn't know
    where to start in naming them all.
    Certainly, David, Moses, Solomon etc.. Elijah had 450 priests of Baal
    murdered, and it was at his own instruction.
     
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    I must say that I don't fully understand Brody's essay, but I have faith. Dr. Jed Brody teaches physics at Emory University. His book, “Quantum Entanglement,” was published in 2020 by MIT Press. Honest to God.
    Why physicists still don’t know what reality is
     
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    Complete nonsense, to start, Lewis' famous book was "Mere Christianity" not "Merely Christianity". His rejection of the CBE award had nothing to do with capitalism, he said "there are…knaves who say, and fools who believe, that my religious writings are all covert ant-Leftist propaganda, and my appearance in the Honours List would of course strengthen their hands. It is therefore better that I should not appear there. I am sure the Prime Minister will understand my reason, and that my gratitude is and will be none the less cordial."

    Lewis clearly preferred Churchill over the socialists.

    "Early in January 1952, in another letter to an American correspondent, Lewis again contrasted Churchill and Attlee.[16] Lewis said that further food shortages were expected in the coming year, and that Churchill had admitted that unpleasant things were on the way.[17] Nonetheless, Lewis added that “we are in hopes that his [Churchill’s] treatment will differ from Atlee’s in being like the pain after you have had a tooth out—getting less every day—whereas under the late government we were shirking going to the dentist and the pain was getting worse every day.”[18] Almost two years later, by December 1953, Lewis was telling that same American correspondent that “things are improving here under Winston,” but admitted that “we are still not exactly living in a land of milk and honey—cake in particular remaining something of a luxury.”[19] By September 1954, in a letter to an American named Vera Gebbert, Lewis praised the Churchill government, saying that “this government has done a magnificent job in getting us on our feet again, and a few weeks back, we solemnly burnt our Ration Books. Everything is now ‘off ration’, and though at first of course, prices went up with a rush, they are now dropping.”[20] By then, Lewis admitted that the donations from American admirers were no longer necessary, but told Gebbert that “if our friends the Socialists get back into power, you will be able to exercise your unfailing kindness once more by supplying us, not with little luxuries, but with the necessities of life!”[21] Clearly he did not approve of Labour.

    Although Churchill was no a political leader by then, Lewis’s political leanings are further demonstrated in a November 1963 letter where he laments: “my brother tells me gloomily that it is an absolute certainty that we shall have a Labour government within a few months, with all the regimentation, austerity, and meddling which they so enjoy,” and that he had seen the last Conservative government in his lifetime.[22] Lewis made similar points in another letter that same day, and added that if Labour got re-elected, it would be “back to the old scheme of austerity for everyone and extravagance for the government.”[23] Lewis died of his kidney problems six days after writing those letters, but the Labour Party did get elected the following year.

    Lewis also supported Churchill and his government over and against Clement Attlee and the Labour Party, while Churchill thought highly enough of Lewis to offer him a CBE. In short, the evidence suggests that both C. S. Lewis and Winston Churchill thought positively of each other."

    https://winstonchurchill.org/public...al-good-sense-c-s-lewis-on-winston-churchill/
     
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    You'd have us believe they were unjustly executed?
    Huh?
     
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    It was generally understood then, contrary to the OP, that Lewis was not of the left, and he didn't want an award from a Conservative government to imply to religious seekers that he was just a sectarian political tool. He was all about the eternal, not the temporal.
     
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    Historians begin by looking backward. They often end by thinking backward.--Nietzsche​

    You selective article quotes doesn't tell us anything about the particular British Labour Party at that time that was supporting austerity AFTER A WORLD WIDE DEPRESSION, AND A WORLD WAR! Any party are be called "labour" like any country can be called the "Democratic" People's Republic of Korea." Trump says he fell in love with Kim Jong-un.

    The Wisnton Churchill. org website has committed numerous historical fallacies (Motive: fallacy of universal man, Narration: fallacy of presentism) by combing C.S Lewis' entire life correspondence to find conversational quotes out of context to show that Lewis loved Conservative politics because he loved Churchill. A hogwash thesis. Are we to believe this infantile argument?

    Lewis' political beliefs are clear unlike the posted article tries to muddy. So let's be clear:
    And Churchill had a love affair of his own..Mussolini.
    And here are many more shocking quotes from Churchill about Mussolini.
    Why Churchill Admired Mussolini
     
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    What the hell is an "ant-Leftist"?
     
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    dp
     
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    That's a good question.
     
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    Be patient, you will have your chance.
     
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    No he didn't.
     
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    Lewis was not an imperialist, which doesn't change his disdain for the socialist Labour Party and his preference for Churchill.

    He was talking about Mussolini standing up to Italian Communists, much as Franco did in Spain with the Reds. Heck, FDR was chummy with Stalin, and in fact gave away Eastern Europe to him, after WWII was started over the freedom of Poland.
     
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    So why did he prefer Churchill to the Labour Party?
     
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    Circular argument.
     
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    1. Petitio Principii
    1. False analogy
    2. Tu quoque
    3. Telescopic fallacy
     
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    Dodge noted.
     
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    Do you want the passages?
     
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    You won't find such passages. You can offer your interpretation of such.
    Jesus mourned for Jerusalem and her children. Tens of thousands such
    children were starved, burned or put to the torch by the Romans - was
    Jesus responsible? He gave a reason WHY this terrible thing would happen.
     
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    Sure, perhaps you could invent some.
     
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