“Senate panel details Trump pressure campaign at DOJ to overturn election”

Defense of Trump? You must have mis-clicked somewhere.
I'm not stating whether he broke laws or not. I'm absolutely certain that he at least tarnished the office of President of the United States. Proving illegal activity would be another topic.

 

I have no idea who would be running against him in the primaries or the general in 2024. Nikki Haley how about her? Did I vote for him the first time? No. Did I vote for him in the primaries in 2020? No. Did I vote for him in the general in 2020 yes but for the reason that I was so sick of the leftist claims about a "popular vote", he was going to win my state anyway and had they not made those claims for 4 years I would have written in someone else.

But what we have seen the last four years have been attacks on the PRESIDENCY by the left and the Dems. We see it now with the Jan 6 commission want what are protected records of the OFFICE of the President and if Biden releases those it will be a fundamental shift in the balance of power between the Legislative and the Executive branches.

 

I like Nikki Haley. I like John Kasich. Yang was interesting. I've seen some very interesting candidates over the last couple of years, but the establishment favorites seem to always come out on top. Maybe we're being screwed over in the primaries, but I think people are generally lazy when it comes to politics and don't do any homework on the candidates.
Thanks for your well thought out answer. Too many of these threads get into a pissing contest.

 

If Trump decides to run in 2024 and I'm pretty sure he will as he has already fired a shot across DeSantis' bow, nobody with hopes of a future will run against him in the primaries ... FEAR ...

 

Can you point to one thing in his four year term that parallels what actual dictators are uniquely known for? No, you cant. Yet thus far in Biden's first year we can point to 2 things, perhaps 3.

So what if hes narcissistic? What President isn't? Did you live through the Obama era? There was a President who constantly glorified himself, constantly overinflated his involvement, and constantly referred to himself repeatedly in nearly every speech - he once referenced himself 476 times in one speech!

And do you honestly think 'throwing people under the bus' is something Trump introduced to politics? C'mon... using and then discarding people is half the job description.

 

We'll see, for all his talk now HE may decide it's not worth it.

 

I used to like Kaisch, he and Gingrich were responsible for the balance budgets and surpluses NOT Clinton, but he has turned somewhat vindictive and against his previous hard conservative positions since then. Yang while successful in his business has too many misplaced beliefs about the economy and people and their behaviors and I see not much fiscal conservatism in his positions and he has never been able to get much momentum going. DeSantis and Haley the most viable at this time but who knows who will throw their hat in.

And thank you also!

 

What these reports, the commission, the political trials, etc al amount to: "Hey look, a squirrel!"

Yeah, I'm too intelligent to be swayed to look for a squirrel, now if you told me there was a pepperoni pizza on the other hand, I might have to consider ROFL.

 

Wait a minute, telling your AG to "just say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican Congressmen,” is copacetic?

Trump didn't give a rat's ass about election results, he just wanted to maintain his power and attempted any means necessary available to him at the time to do such. If not for a few individuals who actually respected the Constitution he might have gotten his way

And Trump ain't President, but he is running for President now

 

In no understanding, telling your AG to “just say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican Congressmen" isn't contesting results

 

I couldn't have stated that more clearly...

 

Thank God Trumps lawyer and the brave men at the DOJ threatened to resign if Trump staged a coup.

Gives me faith that some in the GOP still have integrity.

 

He believed there was fraud, he believed his 'proof', he was doing what a President would do if that had legitimately been the case. Where else but the DOJ would this begin? You think because he tried to launch a fight through the proper channels that hes a dictator, ok, what do you make of the left's efforts to do the exact same thing only instead of just holding a meeting in which inquiries were made they actually engaged multiple federal agencies to spy and participate in the generation and decimation of falsified evidence - not to mention the subsequent 3 years of media and Congressional conspiring.

Trump was one guy with a half dozen loyalists yelling for a couple weeks on his way out the door to people who only listened because they had to, people who turned around and did none of they stuff they were asked to because it was their job to be asked and then respond appropriately - which they did. And for this hes a dictator who wants to destabilize all democracy as we know it blah blah blah.

Democrats on the other hand involved thousands of people, spent millions of man hours, invested tens of billions of dollars to invalidate an election that was just as legitimate as Biden's and yet these people are hailed as heroes, awarded as 'seekers of truth', and celebrated in their little elitist circle jerks despite perpetrating the single greatest attempted coup to ever happen to a modern western nation.

Leftists could not get more hypocritically childish on this matter. Literally no room to talk, none.

 

Your defense of his conduct boils down to, “he was delusional”.

 

Then you misunderstood because I wasn't defending Trump I was mocking leftists.

 

Yes as HE believed and why he gave a rat ass about it, he asked for advice, said what he would like to do, was told nope you can't do that and he said OK. And he WAS President and the documents the Dems want are from WHILE he was President. That privilege has never ended before, The Dems and Biden want to end that. It will also apply to him and the next time those generals and SecDef are called to testify about what we going on the Oval office about Afghanistan they will no longer be able to declined to discuss that private advice they gave to the President or their discussions. THAT is a HORRIBLE precedent to set. So put your partisan politics aside and thing about that for a few minutes.

 

The leftist can't see beyond their noses on this. Especially that there might be a Republican Congress in about 18 months and they will use this to gain access to any and all internal deliberations in the Biden administration.

So much for the separation of powers.

 

Right, so Trump, who called the meeting, and even wanted to replace the AG at the time that was opposing his efforts with the individual responsible for the scheme discussed at the meeting, was just "just asking for advice?" "Just asking for advice," three days prior to him exiting the WH, about what? What was he "just asking for advice about?"

 

You have no idea if Trump genuinely believed there was fraud, and he gave plenty of evidence of bad faith in the lead up to the election, with that "The only way I can lose is by fraud" nonsense.

 

It was a deliberative discussion with his advisers where the law and possible avenues were discussed he asked he advisers about this one they said nope not a good idea and it was DROPPED.

 

I have no reason to believe otherwise and neither do you. His inquiries were about the LEGAL avenues available to contest the election, he had ever right to explore those and ask his advisers their opinions about them. His advisers advised him those were not workable ideas, they were dropped.

 

Trump kept saying before the election that the only way he could lose was by fraud. That's a pretty good reason to distrust him when he claims fraud after the election. Also, the combination of his broader pattern of lying/BSing/exaggerating (whatever you want to call it) with his obvious fear of being seen as a loser, is a very good reason to distrust his claims of fraud.