“Trump …. attacking Democrats as communists”

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  1. balancing act

    balancing act Well-Known Member

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    Agree. Trump will never win a general election for president again. He will get his base, and he will get the Republicans who *fear* or hate the Democrats, but it won't be enough to overcome the majority of Demorat voters and independents/non-party affiliated to win in the general election, IMO.
    I find it disappointing that the Republicans, in general, find it so hard to spurn Trump and promote a different, better candidate. It would be nice to vote for a presidential candidate with some confidence. I also am disappointed that Biden chooses to run again, but that is his prerogative (spell check go me on that one!). I liked Biden in 2008, but he has lost more than a step since then. Trump vs Biden in 2024? Not my two picks, but would have to go with Biden really by default, as Trump has disqualified himself for my vote.
    The last time we had two (or more) decent choices was in 2012, Obama vs. Romney. McCain was a good candidate, I liked him, but he ran into a wildly popular Obama, who I originally thought didn't have a chance, but what do I know? Trump vs. Hillary was about the worst set in my history of 62 years, and Trump vs. Biden was almost as bad. Biden only beat Trump because of Trump, he was that bad, and proved it over and over since then.
    Sorry to ramble, bored at work! lol
    That's my opinion on it though.
     
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    bx4 Well-Known Member

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    If Democrats are communists, Republicans are Nazis. That’s a fact.
     
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  3. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Obviously you don't understand that Nazis and Communists are both socialist ideologies.
     
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    You can't even spell "waning" correctly and you want to insult someone's intelligence?...lol
     
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    bobobrazil Well-Known Member

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    in the age of DJT i have quite taking anything from the MAGA crowd with anything more than a grain of salt and inquire out of curiosity with mostly a chuckle for reponce
     
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    but you knew what i meant, you are probably much younger than i am...you enjoy yourself just post away as you will
     
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    bx4 Well-Known Member

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    Obviously you don’t understand my point.
     
  8. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Yes both parties supported the creation of a central bank.

    "The Senate Passes the Federal Reserve Act
    Nelson Aldrich. Aldrich proposed a system that would be run by private bankers who would act as federal agents. Progressives adamantly opposed what they called a surrender to the “Money Trust” and blocked its passage.

    In 1912 Democrats won the White House and majorities in both houses of Congress. Even before his inauguration, President-elect Woodrow Wilson began encouraging congressional leaders to enact banking and currency reform. In March 1913 the Democratic Senate created its first Banking and Currency Committee, chaired by Oklahoma senator Robert D. Owen. The House Banking Committee was chaired by Virginia representative (and future senator) Carter Glass. In June President Wilson formally proposed creation of a government-run Federal Reserve system. The House took up the issue first and passed a bill in September, after which the Senate Banking Committee began holding hearings.

    By December the Senate was debating and voting on its version of the bill. When all of the Senate Republicans voted for a substitute measure, Senate Democrats opted to make the banking and currency bill a “party question.” At that time, the Democratic Conference had a “binding caucus” rule, by which whenever two-thirds of the conference voted in favor of a bill, all of its members agreed to support it and not to offer amendments on the floor. The Senate therefore passed the Federal Reserve Act by an almost party-line vote. The bill then went to a conference committee, which forged the necessary compromises and reported it back on December 22, when it was accepted by the House.

    On December 23, 1913, the Senate adopted the conference report by a vote of 43 to 25, with every Democrat present voting for the measure and all but four Republicans voting against it. (Twenty-seven senators were “paired” or chose not to vote.) Most senators immediately rushed to Union Station to catch trains home for the holidays, while the chief sponsors went to the White House. President Wilson signed the Glass-Owens Act at 6:00 p.m. He used four pens, then gave one to each of the leading sponsors. Wilson commented that he was not accustomed to using a series of pens. The Democratic whip, Senator J. Hamilton Lewis of Illinois, responded, “The bill itself was made in installments, Mr. President.” “Yes,” said Wilson, “and very slowly.” The Oval Office filled with cheers for what became the most lasting legislative accomplishment of the Wilson administration."
    https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/Senate_Passes_the_Federal_Reserve_Act.htm

    The GlassOwens Act that eventually passed was the DP's bill, but our central bank has evolved to more clearly resemble the RP model controlled by the "Money Trust" proposed by Aldrich that Democrats before 1913 opposed and blocked.
     
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  9. Izzy

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    messed up posting
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Indeed, the laughably disingenuous term "progressive" is what the communists and socialists in the United States use to refer to themselves today.

    However, as anyone who is familiar with the history of the Left in this country and elsewhere knows, the term "progressive" is so 20th Century, too. The Soviets used it to refer to their socialist and communist fellow travelers in the West and their sympathizers in the United States embraced the term, as well:

    Progressive Party
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_(United_States,_1948–1955)

    And commies and socialists in the USA still embrace and hide behind it to this day.

    Here's an article written about self-avowed socialist and Democratic Party presidential candidate Bernie Sanders by a prog at the Communist Party USA:

    Progressive, progressive, progressive...

    .

    The problem with socialism and communism is that you get these crappy real world versions of the theoretical ideal, so real world "progressives" can bleat things like "there are/were no real communist countries in the world" and "there is probably only one country in the world one could label Communist".

    Other than yourself, who are you trying to kid?

    Communist Party USA
    https://www.cpusa.org

    And there's the alphabet soup of communist and socialist flotsam and jetsam you find in the ANSWER Coalition, which was founded by the Commies in the Workers World Party

    Workers World Party
    https://workersworld-party.org

    Here they are at the "progressive" cluster-foxtrot Occupy Wall Street:

    ows_0927.jpg

    You need to get out more.

    That or you know better and you're trying to blow smoke up everyone's glutes....and it's not working, by the way.

    Ironical.

    One need look no further than your OP to find a shining example of "playing your audience as being really uneducated and stupid".

    THREAD DELIVERS.jpg

    Better luck next time....:blownose:
     
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    I knew what you meant, but that doesn't change the fact that you misspelled a word in a post insulting another person's intelligence.
     
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    Yeah, and it's not like the left flings insults and abusive language at the right at all, huh? So ironic this entire post could be turned around so easily.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course. It was the bankers who created it, and politicians were tricked into passing the actual law. As a matter of fact, it failed to pass 2 times, and then they changed the name to Federal Reserve and it passed even though it was the same bill. Every country has a central bank, so if that makes a country communist, then every country is communist. Its like saying "Lenin liked milk, so anyone who likes milk must be a communist"
     
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    I know what defines rambling and you certainly did not ramble.
    The Democrats choice of Hillary ,2016 and Biden in 2020 led me to sit out voting for a president when I voted in both elections.
    I find it incomprehensible how so many democrats are still behind a Biden 2024 run and find it ****ingunbelievable the Republicans who are behind a Trump run.

    2008 was the last time I voted for a president, Obama's first election and when he chose Hillary for his S.O.S. I didn't vote for him again in 2012.
    In my world Hillary was put to pasture after the Jones/Lewinsky scandals and I never went back.
    I also wanted the senate to vote Bill out of office in his Senate impeachment.
    And I had no problem voting for a Republican Governor 4x, the last being 2022.

    And seeing that 2024 may be a Biden/Trump choice is vomit worthy.
     
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    Conservative activist Jonah Goldberg said on NPR about Crazy Donnie Trump:
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    Crazy Donnie Trump is a crazy old man who just says a lot of crazy things.
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    Crazy Donnie Trump is a projection machine; he accuses others of being who he is.

    The fact is Commie Donnie prefers to do business in communist countries rather than the USA.
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    Has everyone ever heard Commie Donnie complain about paying his taxes in communist China as he does in the USA?
    Communism is a supply-side-based economic system. Besides commies and their kissing cousins, Republicans, who else loves supply-side economics? NOT DEMOCRATS!!!!
     
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    From day one Trumpers claimed to like Trump because he 'tells it like it is'. lol

    Another one of Trumps off the rails doozie.

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    No, Nazism is political, socialist economic

    Hitler adapted several socialist programs, which would make his economy mixed, as are nearly all economies, then and now, but he was hardly a socialist, one of the reasons he immediately assassinated Rosa Luxembourg and when given the power outlawed Labor Unions
     
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    balancing act Well-Known Member

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    Thanks! Nice to know that the world isn't made up of all *paritzans*! lol
    Extremism has it's function in life, but not to lead decisions.
    LOL! Hillary is really that bad, isn't she! I've never spoken to someone who actually liked her. Her voice is like nails on a blackboard to me. But, I will admit I voted for her in 2016, but only because I saw Trump as so bad I didn't want to see him win. When he did, I told my wife "I hope he proves me wrong". Unfortunately, he mostly proved me right, but I think Hillary would have only been slightly better.
    I hope in the future we can have some bright, thoughtful and intelligent candidates to choose from. I was hoping the Republicans would run Kasich in 2016, and Klobuchar in 2020, but neither one were *exciting* enough for the primary voters, apparently.
     
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    Alexander Hamilton and George Washington did, even created one, does that mean they were Commies?
     
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    Terms like "communist, nazi, fascist, MAGA, cult, etc. are fed to the gullible to rebleat for the purpose of demonizing those with opposing beliefs. Dems are not in a position to criticize with clean hands. I would not want to defend either party on this issue.
     
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    Which would be difficult to prove that there are very Communist today, anywhere
     
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    Just more petty trash talk from a man who acts like a child.
     
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    archives Well-Known Member

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    Wrong, it is something from the past, totally irrelevant today proven but he fact there probably exists today only one country one could label Communist

    And recommending a socialist idea is not suggesting Communism, in fact, the US has been part socialist since the end of the 19th Century, does that mean we have been a Communist county all this time?
     
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    Stalin, an his imitators managed to liquidate almost all of them.

    “Hobsbawm became a Communist in 1932 at the height of the absurdly ultra-left "third period" line through which Stalin neutralised the Communist movement by having it dismiss social democracy as "social fascism”.”

    Obituary: Eric Hobsbawm (1917-2012)
    Issue section: Obituaries, Issue: November 2012, (374), By Paul Blackledge.
    http://socialistreview.org.uk/374/obituary-eric-hobsbawm-1917-2012
     
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    Not entirely true, the demonizing point is correct, but I can’t recall any leading Democrat presidential candidate every referring to any of his opponents as Fascists, ,
     
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