⚖️What Happens After the End of Affirmative Action?⚖️

Racist history. The founding of the USA.
Likely will never be as bad as it was, but there's still plenty of racists in the country.

 

I don't need your help.
Slavery, discrimination, women's suffrage are proof that the USA has never been about equality of all citizens.

 

Another red herring. I wasn't talking about how bad you think the US is. I was talking about you putting words in my mouth.

 

I know you were. You're making that up.

 

So you decided to throw in the red herring just to be argumentative.

 

Please explain your logic of merely treating people the same is going back to the old days before civil rights?
Who's supporting a racist policy here?

 

TODAY is "before civil rights".

Civil rights means that people have equality of opportunity, and TODAY blacks and other minorities do not have equality of opportunity.

What our white nationalist friends want is to stop efforts to move toward equality of opportunity.

Also, they want us to believe that THEY are smarter than HARVARD about what is important in creating a world class freshman class.

Does anybody REALLY think white nationalists are that smart?

 

Yes, this is one of the anti-democratic aspects Republicans benefit from.

If people voted directly, there would be very few Republican presidents.

 

This may well be true.

Harvard hasn't changed its mind about what constitutes a high quality education. And, they do state that diversity is an important part of that.

I suspect that we'll see the same decisions made in the future, as the personal leadership and factors in overcoming diversity shown by those who are in poverty and face racism will be recognized as important qualities.

How could they NOT? If two kids have nearly the same academic characteristics, but one did so while holding a job to help buy the family food, helping to raise his siblings while being a personal example in overcoming racism, which one would YOU pick?

 

This seems totally disjointed from reality. You seem to think that College admissions are filled with white nationalists who are denying black people "equality of opportunity."

This sounds a bit crazy to me, but I admit if you have actual evidence of Harvard, or any major US university admissions as being infiltrated with white nationalists, I would love to see the evidence.

 

Racist policy? I never said anything of the sort.

 

In no way did I suggest that.

 

You support the AA that has been in place don't you? You want it to continue don't you?

 

Yes we are a REPUBLIC not a Democracy as guarantied BY THE CONSTITUTION. You last statement is utter conjecture and supposition.

 

So you agree, I said nothing about racist policies.

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Affirmative action was initiated by the administration of President Lyndon Johnson (1963–69) in order to improve opportunities for African Americans while civil rights legislation was dismantling the legal basis for discrimination. The federal government began to institute affirmative action policies under the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 and an executive order in 1965. Businesses receiving federal funds were prohibited from using aptitude tests and other criteria that tended to discriminate against African Americans.
Affirmative action programs were monitored by the Office of Federal Contract Compliance and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC). Subsequently, affirmative action was broadened to cover women and Native Americans, Hispanics, and other minorities and was extended to colleges and universities and state and federal agencies.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/affirmative-action
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While it started out to lift up the black community after 250 yrs of slavery, discrimination, segregation, redlining, etc.
It was expanded to most minorities as our country has a history of not treating all people with equal opportunities.

 

You have stated quite clearly you support racist affirmative action programs and even defend them.

 

If Harvard thinks the answer is racist admissions, then Harvard is more similar to the white supremacists than to the Asian students Harvard (and white supremacists) want to discriminate against.

 

I guess you didn't bother to read the rest of the post you responded to about AA programs to minorities.
Including white women, white gays, white religious people.

Or you just want to keep making up nonsense.

 

Yes it is a racist policy and you support it.

 

Yes it can be a sexist policy too but primarily and the discussion here is about the RACIAL preferences and advantages. They are entirely race based, racist.

 

Your comments beg to differ.

 

Yes, this is a common mistake.

We absolutely ARE a republic. We also absolutely are a democracy.

Stating that we are a republic does not answer the seriously important question of how decisions are made.

There are plenty of autocratic republics around, for example.

Question: Who is it that is suggesting that democracy is to be marginalized?? What do YOU want INSTEAD of democracy?

 

What I described isn't racism.

It is recognizing the added challenge that those facing racist headwinds have overcome.

This is not uncommon throughout the field of assessing who is a better candidate - whether it be in admissions, employment, in whose leadership one would prefer, etc.

If two candidates are similar, the one who has shown leadership, who has demonstrated overcoming serious adversity, etc., is the one that must rightly be considered the better candidate.

Numeric grades are not some sort of definition of who will be successful. A history of succeeding despite adversity IS such an indication.

 

And which country since it’s founding had equal rights for ALL races and the sexes were all treated equally? Hmmm. That would be a big fat NEVER!!! AND some rather large nations are still far worse than us even NOW, including China, the Middle East, Africa and India, including central and South America too.

The way people talk about slavery or racism as if it was isolated to the US, is just so laughable and ignorant.