⚡Unsold electric cars are piling up on dealer lots⚡

That is a pathetic attempt at a real analysis.

It lists almost ZERO complaints, makes NO attempt to figure out what the respondents were driving before they bought an EV, etc.

ANYBODY (including YOU and ME) could write a better list that that without even thinking about it.

If you DID think about it, one might consider that Tesla has had to fight legislatures to get the right to have a service center in the state.

For example Indiana has one service center for Tesla - in Indianapolis. South Carolina has none - and no sales sites, either, because of legal action.

Tesla and others who want to sell EVs directly to customers and service those sales are fighting a LEGAL headwind to do so. Tesla does have mobile sales and service, but that is necessarily limited, too.

So, ABSOLUTLEY - you need to understand where you can get your car serviced, and consider that when you vote, too.


If someone wants to compare the cost of maintaining an EV and an equivalent ICE they should do that.

Comparing tire life IS NOT such a comparison.


How about a little science - at least once in a while?

 

You go first.

 

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Nothing I do justifies an article as crappy as the one cited.

 

No, I suggest you go first with this suggestion-


How about a little science - at least once in a while?

 

Why not?

 

Does that seem unfair to you?

 

Not at all.

 

Tires are only one component of maintenance for ICE vehicles.

One must compare the total maintenance costs, not just one component.

 

Yes, and . . . ? Tires need not be excluded from the discussion.

 

I've NOT ONCE suggested that tires not be included.

I've said that to evaluate maintenance cost differences requires consideration of all of what requires maintenance - NOT just one item.

 

Really?
From your #476:
"If someone wants to compare the cost of maintaining an EV and an equivalent ICE they should do that.

Comparing tire life IS NOT such a comparison."

 

So the notion is, it isn't perfect therefore don't bother? I think everyone agrees that any form of personal transportation is inefficient by being both expensive and does more harm to the environment. That said, electric vehicles are an improvement. There is no zero impact form of energy and transportation is a form of energy. So there will always be impacts. That said, electric vehicles cost about 1/5 to maintain compared to gas powered vehicles. If you don't get a fancy, luxury EV and look used, you can come out ahead long before 10 years. If you want a model X, yeah, 10 years or so but most of that is the upfront price.

The only reason we are where we are in all of this is because we ignored and were lied to about the science of emissions for too long.

 

Yes. That is what I've been saying.

You can find such analyses of EV v. ICE cost of ownership.

I think they are mostly crap, as they don't compare similar vehicles, tend to look at industry averages where the EV industry is new and has some significant failures (such as Toyota, which has permanently recalled all of one of its EV offerings), and have other similar gaping holes.

But, you can probably find ones that meet reasonable review.

 

Emissions are not, in fact, much of a problem.
And EV's are a technological step backward.

 

Dodging the question.

 

Savings opportunities in the range of hundreds of billions of dollars can not be ignore so easily.

This study published by the journal PNAS shows that light duty vehicle pollution reductions between 2008 and 2017 saved ~$200 BILLION in healthcare costs.

Pollution reduction is a serious opportunity for saving healthcare costs. Plus, one must assume that our taxes supporting healthcare for low income populations is one of the places where benefit can be found.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/iti5121118


One can find other studies that measure the healthcare cost of transportation pollution.

 

Offset by the costs from transportation shortfalls without those vehicles.