10% of the population has an IQ lower than 83, what this means

lol, sorry I'm not going tell a leading Neurologist that he's wrong...education and learning go hand in hand...

 

His assumption of limitations (in the neurologically 'normal') is just that, an assumption. It's not science. It's merely a guess, made in the absence of sufficient information to make such a determination. I have the same limitations, but I base my 'assumption' on decades of observation of this very thing. IOW, I've studied varying cultural attitudes to neuroplasticity, for many many years.

Meantime, Education is what you get when you learn. First comes the ability to learn .. and that in itself, is learned. Ability to learn is a product of focus and application. Focus and application are learned behaviours.

 

Wouldn't it be great if most Americans would actually ask and answer this simple question; What is in the best long-term interest of the USA?

But for most Americans this can't happen because we are entrenched in our comfort zones, whether this is political party, or religion, or color of our skin, etc. and all of this comes before what's in the best interest of the USA. Today it's more about 'what's in it for me'?

 

All I can say is dream on...

 

Okay show me one person with an IQ of 90 with a Masters degree from say MIT in any field. If IQ doesn't matter then there would be many examples of this or similar. I hold a Doctorate I got from my Church paying $99 and doing a one page Bible Exam I'm not talking my perfectly legal options but a proper degree from a real good school where a low end normal person has an advanced earned degree.

Your comment is BS its clear there is IQ and it matters and is a good benchmark as to ability barring issues my IQ is high but in a brain not wired well but those with certain jobs tend to have higher IQ's a police officer on the street is usually less smart than a detective by quite a few points since the detective needs to be smarter to do that kind of work. If you were right everyone would succeed in college and have advanced degrees but that isn't some can't do that kind of study.

 

Still drooling after that thought?

 

I don't conveniently regard it as 'dreamscape', so I'm stuck with doing the work.

 

Have no idea what you're trying to say, sorry.

It appears as though you missed the point entirely, and have somehow extrapolated that a dumb dumb can waltz into MIT and obtain a masters?

 

Why can't the USA create and sustain the best public education system in the world?

What is preventing us from doing this?

 

What is preventing you from doing so? Your people.

Your schools system is absolutely fine .. what you have a serious problem with is a wholesale failure of parents to take education seriously. Around the end of last century, Taiwan had the best educational outcomes in the world. They're still way up there, but not sure of current ranking. Anyway, nothing whatsoever to do with the schools themselves (and in fact, many westerners would dislike their system, since it doesn't cater to individual learning styles or pace - at ALL), and everything to do with parental expectations.

 

As usual the questions cannot be answered?

Our school system is not fine...it is mediocre at best.

There is nothing you or society can do about parents! The ONLY thing you can do is give students a better chance at learning and as they age they become better parents...

 

You don't understand how this works. A school cannot make a child do well unless parents have already (and continue to) done the groundwork. It has to start in the home. And yes, that's the point ... a school is 'society', and can do nothing about bad parents. All we can do is not be bad parents ourselves. Asians don't get to where they are in this regard because their schools changed. They get there because Asian parents expect their kids to work hard at education, and are willing to self-sacrifice and provide the support which that entails.

And yes, I answered your question. Fully, in fact.

 

Well...thousands or millions of students over the years who live in our ****-hole communities and do not have supportive parents make their way through public school and into college studies so obviously it can be done. Is it better/easier with supportive parents...absolutely. But if society cannot do anything about the parents then what's the point in mentioning them? Or it's just a diatribe! Perhaps you have a list of things society can force on these families, like how to make sure all of them have two parents, all of them have educated parents, that none of the parents abuse alcohol or drugs, that none of the parents are abusive, that the kids don't have immense peer pressure to join gangs, that the kids are not bullied, etc. etc. etc. It will be interesting to see your list of things society can do to make sure every kid has two loving and supportive parents...

 

detached parents who don't give a crap so neither do the kids....and parents who butt their uneducated noses into the education system messing things up, educators are professionals let them do the job they were trained to do...

greed- proper school funding....you have billions and billions for tanks, aircraft carriers, and now space force but then cheap out on your most valuable economic asset, kids...

 

What?

We just said that SOCIETY/schools cannot do anything! Did you actually read what you wrote, or what I responded with?

 

clearly the problem started with the parents of the parents...
two parents is ideal but one supportive functional parent will do...

 

funding is fine. good parents can produce an A student (even one who'll win scholarships) from any school.

 

Exactly. Doesn't require two parents (though is obviously better). Being a sole parent is NOT an excuse.

As regards origins of the problem, yes it may go back generations. Irrelevant though .. it's on each new generation to choose different - or not.

 

how to break the cycle is the problem, I guess that's an educational issue as well for the parents...

we have a similar problem here (canada) with educating indigenous children, their culture was so completely torn apart with cultural genocide, discrimination, poverty, welfare, alcohol that they're socially dysfunctional...how do you reverse something that's been done for generations, small steps I suppose...

 

Nothing external can be done. The choice must be made by each individual new parent. No amount of 'education', or other initiatives will change the mind of a new parent determined to take it easy.

One possibility though, would be to prosecute parents for the 'crimes' of children up to age 21. I would also like to see some sort of fine system for failure to keep your kids at school (every day). There may be something like that in legislation already - but if there isn't, there should be!

 

so a kid murders someone your going to hold the parent responsible? that don't work...

I have a teacher friend with a PHD in education who worked with most absolute dysfunctional kids/families imaginable in an inner city school... her stories would make any parent cringe...kids would come to school with no breakfast or lunch, parents who beat them, family drug addiction...and maybe the worst a 9 yr old prostitute who would show up for class once every week or two...where do you even begin to solve those problems?

 

Absolutely I would charge the parents, if the child is 18 or younger (for lesser crimes I would raise the age cut off to 21). The kid would be still be charged and put away, but the parents would be charged with complicity or similar.

It's interesting, isn't it. I have a friend who is a PhD in "Gifted Education" (so the opposite, in effect). He's a specialist in teaching kids who are academically advanced. I've also personally been involved in this kind of education for many many years. He would tell you that the single factor which ties 99.9% of those kids together is parents. Not IQ, not wealth, not geography, not even the parents' education level. He's seen it all, and the only common denominator he's ever seen in 40 years of this work, is parental dedication to education.

 

Pretty much agree 100%. I taught for 8 years (in the 1990s), and my wife has taught or been involved in education for our entire married life (almost 22 years). Too many parents don't expect enough, and not only that, but will defend their children for not trying or doing their best.

 

That is also my observation. And pretty much anyone who has spent time in or around education will say the same.

 

Nothing we can do about the detached parent issue?
Nothing we can do about uneducated parents?
We will never know proper education funding until we design the best education system.