1000's Have Developed Tinnitus Who Took Covid Shots

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  1. HonestJoe

    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Somewhat off-topic for this thread but I just read that anyway (first time I'd even heard of it as it happens).

    Taken literally it would be extremely broad, covering a vast range of proscribed medicines, legal and illegal drugs and household cleaning and pest control products. It could also be read to criminalise simply contracting any serious infectious disease, especially if it was due to negligence or even intentional (e.g. pox parties).

    It obviously isn't intended to be taken so literally and apparently nor is it (or they'd be an "Escape From New York" remake in Florida :) ). Significantly, it also makes a clear distinction for those with lawful authority to handle such materials which, like it or not, would cover any vaccine production and delivery.

    I'm also unclear why a legal definition from a single US state is all that significant in the grand scheme of things.
     
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    No one got tinnitus from the vaccine.

    Some people are pathetic.
     
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    Did you read the US statute? 18USC175?

    Keep your day job Joe. Interpreting statutes is not your strong point. I suspect that you choose to misinterpret these statutes because you don't want to believe the brutal truth, that your own government has poisoned you by design. As J. Edgar Hoover noted in the last century, "The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists."

    State laws are significant because, among other things, the states created the federal government back in 1787. Did you know that?
     
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    I didn't initially because I missed that you were referring to two separate things (If you really wanted people to read them, links might have been clearer). I have now, and the US statue seems simpler than the Florida one, making a clear distinction of "for use as a weapon", specifically excluding legitimate medical and research purposes.

    What makes you assume my interpretation is wrong? You've not even tried to counter my explanations for my interpretation or offered any kind of alternative.

    Anyway, I don't see how our lay interpretations of particular legislation has anything to do with the truth of the various COVID vaccination programs. If governments (or anyone else) intentionally delivered poisoned medicines to the public, that would obviously be wrong (and criminal) regardless of whether it technically fell under the definition of any biological weapon statutes or not. Feel free to actually explain the connection there.

    Of course, your initial assertion was only that people who disagree with you refuse to read those statutes, which I've just proven wrong. Regardless of whether you are willing to accept my interpretations, I have indeed read them. :cool:
     
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    Did you notice in the Florida statute that it is found in Title XLVI which is entitled 'Crimes', Chapter 790 entitled 'Weapons and Firearms', Section 166 entitled 'Manufacture, possession, sale, delivery, display, use or attempted or threatened use of a weapon of mass destruction or hoax weapon of mass destruction prohibited; definitions; penalties' ?

    Those points explain why your previous points in your post #51.

    Yesterday working in the yard I was thinking about your post #51, and realized you have a point. Could all the junk food, GMO food and such be considered a bioweapon? I don't know, but such an interpretation might be considered, given the rampant obesity in our culture.
     
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    No, that would be ridiculous and counter productive. If it is decided a behaviour should be legally prohibited and it doesn't clearly fit within the scope of any existing legislation, we would define new or updated laws to cover the specific behaviour we wish to prohibit. We don't scour the statutes for any existing laws we could twist and bend to fit that behaviour.

    As I've already said though, if anything like the conspiracies involving COVID or the vaccines actually happened, they would likely fall under a whole range of existing legislation (depending on the specific who, what and where). Bringing up biological weapon laws is just a gross rhetorical distraction from the fact you have absolutely no basis to accuse anyone of committing any kind of serious offences, let alone any involving those specific laws.

    I also can't help noticing that you've skipped over the fact that you asserted the people who disagree with you refuse to read the legislation you referred to. I have now read it though, so on that at least, you were demonstrably wrong. :cool:
     
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    foia brought out gain-of-function research that fauci and his nih funded, last time I checked that is a crime.
     
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    The point is that 200,000,000 did not need to be vaccinated. The percentage of the US population over the age of 70 is ~ 15%. And of those I am guessing that ~ 30% have one or more of the CDC defined serious preconditions making them at very high risk to the Covid virus. This number would be ~ 20 million people?

    Vaccinating 180,000,000 people (some of which are children) who were at practically no risk of serious illness from the Covid vaccine and exposing them to the serious documented side effects as well as death is in my opinion criminal. There was no good reason to vaccinate those at "no risk" from Covid and exposing them to the side effects of the vaccines. My wife is 75, is very healthy (we climbed Kiliminjaro and did the Inca Trail this year), was fully vaccinated and boosted, and has developed tinnitus in the last two years. Is that a side effect? Who knows but it does correlate along with many others.
     
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    Why are these posts not in the Conspiracy Theories section? A PDF from a "natural health" website that makes its money from selling "natural" remedies, is the only piece of evidence? Yeah, I'm going to need a little more than that.
     
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    Did you search for other sources of information?
     
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    Why waste time? If it is on “natural health” it is highly probable it is a myth they are selling a nostrum for
     
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    Are you prepared, random internet person, to define which of the 20 million people you say didn’t need to be vaccinated are totally not at risk of developing severe covid or actually dying from covid. Being in a non-risk, non-vulnerable group does not mean you are not at risk from developing serious illness.

    According to death certificates in the USA, 6 percent of the people that died from pneumonia/respiratory arrest that developed from having covid had no identified underlying health conditions — so they weren’t in an older age group, they didn’t have chronic health issues like hypertension, obesity, diabetes — they only had Covid-19.

    If you look at a population of 1 million people who have died from Covid, that means approximately 60,000 people who were healthy died from contracting the covid virus. Maybe that seems like a small inconsequential number but not so much if it’s your healthy parent, healthy sibling, healthy child, healthy friend who has died. The point of vaccination is to lessen the chances of developing severe symptoms and being hospitalized from covid. Any sensible person would get vaccinated to lessen the chances of developing covid. I am not willing to play Russian roulette with my child because random people on the internet constantly put out misinformation and don’t understand how vaccines works and believe all the lies and exaggerations put out by antivaxxers about side-effects of the vaccines. People who are healthy die of covid.

    As far as tinnitus goes, .07 percent of the population will develop tinnitus at any given time. Think about what .07 percent of 270,227,181 (Number of single vaccinations given in US) and you will see how this might account for reports of tinnitus. The have not found any evidence that the vaccine causes tinnitus other than anecdotal reports. Of all the people the vaccine was tested on, none of them developed tinnitus. More research is needed to make statements of any correlation between the vaccine and tinnitus. Of course you can’t rule it out as a side-effect because some vaccines have a risk of tinnitus.

    A study of 2,575,235 people without any history of tinnitus was done in 2022 and 0.038% of these people received a diagnosis of tinnitus within 21 days of being vaccinated.

    A study of 1,254 people was done in 2023 and this study found no correlation between tinnitus and the covid vaccine.

    The source in the OP is from the Dr Mercola’s website — seller of vitamins, massive purveyor of vaccine misinformation. Looking at actual research, the vaccine trials, the general spontaneous occurrence of tinnitus in the population — one can conclude it’s more of Mercola’s horseshit.
     
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    People with curious minds will do an internet search to see if there are other sources of information on the subject, evaluate those sources, and then form an opion.
     
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    Nope! I am over “Brandolinis law” ESPECIALLY the lazy sods who expect ME to do the research for them. I mean it would be different if it was a nicely worded request like “Hey Bower I know you know your way around this could you chase down some research for me? But that is not what happens
     
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    Those 20 million are the people who are over the age of seventy and have one or more of the CDC defined preconditions which make them more at risk. Others who are younger but have these same CDC defined preconditions must take precautions against Covid infection. Whether a person gets vaccinated or not is a personal decision which requires accurate information on just whom is at risk. If you are below the age of seventy and in good health Covid poses very little risk. The information on the CDC preconditions was not made widely available to the general public. But a few months ago advertisement began to appear in which celebrities with these preconditions (asthma, heart disease, obesity, pulmomary disease, diabetes and pre diabetes, .. ) indicated to the general public that those preconditions resulted in greater risk to Covid infections and to get vaccinated.

    With regard to tinnitus there is a correlation with receiving Covid vaccine. Correlation does not mean causation but it is data that should be considered. Each individual can make up his/her own mind.
     
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    I could care less if you do your own research or not. I have done so and there is much more information about the correlation of tinnitus with Covid vaccination.
     
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    My guess is that only 1 in 3 Americans have a curious mind, maybe less. In their defense, most are products/victims of generations of highly developed brainwashing.
     
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    I think people develop narratives which they are unwilling to challenge. The schools now days don’t teach kids how to think critically.

    I participate in this forum to learn things. Others will attack anything which contradicts their narratives.
     
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    Many search engines use algorithms that use your search history to personalize search results based on your interests and preferences. So if you are into woo woo crap, your search engine will return woo crap. You will get much different results if you do a private search or use Google Scholar to search. It’s pretty hard to form an educated opinion based returned results that are based on your own preferences.

    The source of the OP in this thread can be evaluated as misinformation. I tend to form opinion from scholarly resources as opposed to some crank osteopath on the internet renowned for posting masses amount of misinformation.

    Well then, why don’t you post the links to the research that demonstrates the correlation of tinnitus with Covid vaccines. I would like to see the sources of your information on the subject, evaluate those sources, and then form an opinion.

    As a quick post via chat GPT —

    Via Google Scholar search engine:

    2022 — https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S204908012200053X - this study says tinnitus from covid vaccination is rare.

    2022 — https://www.mdpi.com/2039-4349/12/3/24

    2022 — https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/lary.30395

    2022 — https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2022.837513/full

    2023 — https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0196070923000777

    So, please post links to research that indicates there is a definite correlation between the vaccines and tinnitus. If you don’t have them, you should tell us where you are getting your information from so we can evaluate the sources. From my searches, I don’t see a conclusion where you can correlate vaccinations with tinnitus.
     
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    Thanks for proving my point about narratives.
     
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    Google Scholar

    What a loaded and misleading term. Some fall for it. :lol:
     
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    So you can’t provide any links to research that demonstrates a correlation between covid vaccination and tinnitus. I didn’t think you would be able to. It’s not my ‘narrative’, it’s the narrative of related research into vaccine side-effects. Why don’t you admit you don’t have any links rather than deflect by posting silly comments.
     
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    The information is out there if you are interested.
     

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