11-year-old Mississippi boy who called 911-- wait for it-- shot by responding officer:

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  1. Turtledude

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    what is the percentage of white cop killers vs black cop killers? I realize this ends in 2014 (and the Floyd issue caused lots of attacks on cops-often by blacks) but the proportion suggests black males are far more likely to attack a cop than white males
    https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2014/tables/table_47_leos_fk_race_and_sex_of_known_offender_2005-2014.xls
     
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    Nonsense. Thats the perception that the race baiters and the media created, and you ate it up like a hungry sheep. White, Tony Timpa was killed by a policeman's knee to the back of his neck for 14 minutes and no one knows his name. Thats by design.
     
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    Of course I'm not advocating a "Shoot first, ask questions later." policy.

    I simply wanted to relate the innumerable threats faced by anyone who intervenes in "domestic disturbances" .

    Thanks ,
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    did not mean it to sound like you did, I was just adding on to what you said, I agree with what you said as well
     
  5. jcarlilesiu

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    Could behavior during the course of the interaction have anything to do with it?
     
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    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So then, a lot of young black men kill police?

    Right?
     
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    What you call a false analogy is what I presented to demonstrate the fallacy of your logic. I showed exactly how one example presented does not support sweeping generalizations, i.e., which is what you did. It went totally over your head. lol

    If you want to discuss any "litaney" based on something other than your emotions and your feelings you are invited to not only present your supporting data but present your normalized data.

    Educational link provided below.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalization_(statistics)

    The comment about this never happening to another black kid is not only a strawman fallacy, but a bad strawman fallacy. If you want to assert something provide data to back it up.
     
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    Sure I guess it's possible for someone to be racist against their own race, but is that really the main take away from this story? A black cop shoots a black kid, therefore...racism?

    The idea that is the main thought and has dominated the posts on this thread seems absurd to me. If the cop turns out to be Clayton Bigsby, then yeah then race is involved and it would be a big story, but otherwise, bringing in race into it seems like just a bunch of race hustlers race hustling.
     
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    You don’t know that at all. Each dept has different policies.
     
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    There is no problem with police culture. Police culture is just fine. For every incident we’re officers screw up, there are tens of thousands more where they operate as they are supposed to.

    Emotionally coming to irrational conclusions about police culture off of an anecdote is very leftist though.
     
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    they usually have different policies, but if the citizen is shown doing something bad that clears the cop, that is usually released pretty fast - hopefully they will release it soon
     
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  12. FreshAir

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    totally agree, same with criminals, for every one that commits a crime, 1000's don't... but we still expect more from those that wear a badge - and in both cases we expect justice to be done

    is the officer cooperating with the investigation, did the lawyer up, did he file a report, did cops even try to question him at the scene, any information would be helpful
     
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    The question is whose behavior?
     
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    Your question isn't in the same context. It should be "So then, a lot of young black men kill unarmed police? Right?"
    The answer to that is
    No
     
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    what group do you think is most likely to kill police officers?
     
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    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    You are falsely interpreting the thinking, behind those "absurd" interpretations, of this story. The racism we are talking about, is not so specifically the officer's personal racism, but about this incident being yet another manifestation of a very apparent pattern, at least in the news coverage, of police being very quick to jump to potentially lethal force, especially against black, minority, or marginalized communities.

    Now, I am not saying, surely, that this fully accounts for every instance. Since your question seems to call for it, may I lay out an overview, in order to properly begin?




    P.S.-- What I mean, is will you have the patience to read such a clarification of the various ideas, all at play-- since you obviously are misgaging the basis of the view, of many on the Left. Or must I clear up the misconception you have, this far, carried on with, in 100 words or less, to suit your expectations?
     
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    Not always. Some depts, like my city, are hesitant to release anything that shows children.
     
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    When a criminal doesn’t commit the crime, then they are not a criminal
     
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    good point, I worded that wrong for sure, lol, meant citizens
     
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    yeah, the child being the victim could play into it
     
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    A tragedy all around:
     
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    You trying to rationalize an absurdity doesn't make it less of an absurdity. This isn't about the "apparent pattern, at least in the news coverage, of police being very quick to jump to potentially lethal force, especially against black, minority, or marginalized communities." It's about a singular incident, that you among others trying to make a racial issue, simply because when you first heard it; a black child shot by a police officer; you just assumed it was by a white officer. Now that we know it was a black police officer, you're desperately trying to blame some version of systemic racism.

    We don't know the details of why that officer shot that kid, but looking at the officer's picture, the first thing that comes to my mind is that they guy is too old to doing this kind of policing, he should be at a desk job or retired. But due to your, and the left's race-centric worldview, you can't see any other explanation other than race, even when victim and perp share the same race, somehow some white guy, somewhere, is at fault.

    It's just absurd.
     
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    Lol.

    SPIN!
     
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    The one that DOESNT have authority.
     
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    Obviously this shooting doesn't appear justified, but, until we hear the officer's testimony and see the police cam, we don't know, do we? It seems you are quite quick to blame completely uninvolved police and our society in general. You might want to watch that knee jerk of yours and wait for the facts to come out.

    Just because a person shot was unarmed does not mean that a police officer was not in reasonable fear for their lives and safety.

    Also, there simply are not enough fatal shootings of the unarmed in any given year, in a nation of 330,000,000, for you to reasonably form the conclusion you seem to be repeating. Take 2019 for example, 40 unarmed persons, black or white, were fatally shot by police, in the entire country, less than 40% of those were Black and nearly 60% were White.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

    Are you at all concerned that some might think it's a bit ghoulish to broad brush all police over this isolated tragedy?
     
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