13yo died of ‘cardiac event’ days after 2nd covid shot

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Viral Twitter post claims 13yo died of ‘cardiac event’ as doctors consider link between rare heart condition & vaccine in boys

A 13-year-old boy allegedly died from heart problems after getting his second dose of Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine, according to a viral Twitter post, as health officials begin to link cases of heart inflammation in kids to the jabs.
A Twitter thread went viral on Sunday after a woman claimed that her brother’s 13-year-old son had died less than three days after receiving his second dose of Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine.

“The initial autopsy results (done Friday) were that his heart was enlarged and there was some fluid surrounding it. He had no known health problems. Was on no medications,” Tami Burages wrote, with a photo apparently showing her nephew’s Covid-19 vaccination record card.

Burages said that she is “pro-vaccine” and knows vaccines are “mostly safe.” She also said that she had vaccinated her “own 14-year-old son as soon as it was available.” But she added that her nephew has died and that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) “needs to investigate.”

“There have been other cases of myocarditis in young men receiving their 2nd [Pfizer] shot. Have others died from it in the United States or is my nephew the first?” Burages asked, adding, “I think parents should be warned of the risk.”

CNN reported on Friday that at least seven young boys and men between the ages of 14 and 19 suffered from “a very rare type of heart inflammation” after being vaccinated against Covid-19. The young men recovered quickly after hospitalization, but health officials are now reportedly considering a link between cases of heart inflammation – known as myocarditis – and Covid-19 vaccines.

https://www.rt.com/usa/527177-twitter-vaccine-boy-died-heart/

Doing a quick search using the boy's name, which is in the article, I find nothing except for his obituary, so as of now the Twitter posts from his Aunt are all to go on. If you click on the Twitter post in the article, the Aunt posted more than one post.

From a risk vs benefit perspective, it is almost a 100% certainty that COVID would not have killed this kid, yet he is dead days after taking the vaccine.

 

Let's remember that the giant number of vaccinations, their efficacy, and the almost zero bad outcomes leaves this vaccine one of the best bets that modern medicine has to offer.

The death rate for NSAID/asperin use is 15 per 100,000.

If this vaccine were as bad as asperin there would be THOUSANDS of deaths. And, asperin doesn't save any lives other than in those already at risk of heart attack.

When it comes to analysis of decision making on a life saving medical procedure, let's get serious and remember what twitter is.

 

How many of those aspirin deaths were healthy 13 year olds?

 

You are still missing the point here.

One death does NOT indicate that the vaccine is a failure in any way.

If you want to make a claim against this vaccine or any other modern medical procedure you need to do better than that.

Besides, I don't even see an indication that the exact cause of your one death is known. In every case where there has been a death or other serious issue following a COVID vaccination there are scientists who are analyzing the case.

So far, the odds are monumentally in favor of being vaccinated and thus subject to the risk of the vaccine as opposed to remaining subject to the risk of COVID.

 

Compared to how many 13 yos who received the the vaccine without any such event? Don't worry, I know you can't answer. Critical thinking was never a strength of the anti-vaxx lunatic fringe.

 

You could just say you have no answer rather than obfuscating.

Also, no need to assign "points" to me that I am not making. I never said the vaccine is a failure. On the contrary; the virus is largely drying up due to vaccines and natural immunity gained from previous exposure.

My "point", if there is one, is that, in the above stated climate and given an otherwise healthy 13 year olds death, the risk vs benefit for this age group should be considered. It is one thing to take a risk yourself, but quite another to expose your child to that risk, even if quite small. I'm sure that the low risk from the vaccine is cold comfort to this boy's parents as they bury him.

So, how many healthy 13 year olds are dying from aspirin again?

 

One is too many if it's your kid, especially considering the extremely low risk for that age group, even at the peak of the virus and especially now as the virus is drying up.

What's that you were saying about critical thinking?

 

I didn't read anything in this thread that even hinted at the vaccine being a failure. Where did you see that?

 

it is sad, more will probably die in swimming accidents or car accidents, yet we still take those risks

but that said, I agree with other poster, is this a risk worth taking, I leave that up to the parents

 

The vaccines that have approval for use for specific age groups, including for young teens and below, have been tested for those populations. That is how drugs get approval for usage.

Pfizer or ?? can't just decide to start telling people to use its product. That's not how it works for ANY drug, vaccine or other medical solution.

Pfizer and others created vaccines within a matter of a few weeks of getting the COVID genome.

The entire rest of the time before use was spent in testing.

Testing on younger individuals didn't happen until confidence grew in the testing for adults.

You can not claim that the safety of this vaccine for use in young people hasn't been carefully tested in order to gain approval.

And, again, any bad outcomes get analyzed. You've probably seen that for cases where adults had negative outcomes. In the case of one vaccine not approved for use in the US, but used in Europe that vaccine was taken out of use until a full understanding was reached - demonstrating that the system works.

One death is horrible. And, we've had hundreds of thousands of deaths. It's long since time to get vaccinated.

 

Makes no sense to me why these morons need to force vaccines on little kids. Should have kept it for 16 and up.

 

?? I didn't say the ARTICLE said that.

Our decisions on getting vaccinated need to be based on the odds of a bad outcome, NOT the existence of 1 bad outcome.

The approved vaccinations available have a STUPENDOUS safety record compared to any other medical solution that we accept - even including asperin.

Also, there needs to be a recognition of the work being done to analyze cases of negative outcomes.

So far, the record for our approved vaccines is that even if every single known negative outcome were actually a result of the vaccine, it would still be FAR better to get vaccinated than to face the odds of contracting COVID and then dying of COVID.

 

Remember that NONE of these vaccines have been fully approved. ALL are being given based on Emergency Use Authorization only.

The latest (as of June 20) 3 day average for deaths (per World O Meter) in the US from COVID is 224. This number is reflective of a steady decline. At what point is the "emergency" over and at what point do we quit pushing "emergency use authorized" vaccines for ever younger age groups, which always had a lower risk and wait for full approval? As of now, the Phizer vaccine has emergency use authorization for children as young as 12.

Right now, Pfizer is undertaking clinical trials in healthy children ages 6 months to 11 years. Children are being studied in three age groups: 6 months to 2 years, 2 to 5 years, and 5 to 12 years.

Moderna is also undertaking a clinical trial for children ages 6 months to 11 years. Johnson & Johnson and Novavax are continuing trials in adolescents between 12 and 17.

The results from the trials in young children are expected to be available in the latter part of the year.

“Pfizer has stated that they think they’re going to have enough data to submit an emergency use authorization for younger children by September,” Blumberg said. “The turnaround from the FDA once they receive the application to approve it has generally been around 1 month, so perhaps later in September or October we might get approval for use in younger ages.”

 

You are suggesting that the analysis and testing being done and the approval process by CDC and FDA are failing.

You need to justify that in some way besides saying you don't understand it.

 

The only lacking step for full authorization was broader testing.

Since that time, hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated - MANY, MANY more times the number that would have been required for full authorization.

And, the record has been astoundingly good - far better than what would have earned full use authorization.

The FDA gave authorization for use of existing COVID vaccines on young teens in early May.

The testng on younger demographics has show major success, winning that approval.

 

My point is nobody here is saying that the vaccine is a failure so why are you rebutted a claim that was never made? The rest of your post makes sense.

P.S. Aspirin is spelled with two "i"s.

 

There is not enough data yet. No need to rush these kids do not usually get sick from Covid. Encourage adults and higher risk people to get vaccinated first.

https://torontosun.com/news/nationa...s-and-covid-vaccines-canadian-expert-cautions

https://www.nny360.com/news/publics...cle_7b261948-0043-53d6-9514-eddf0c27c192.html

What are the reasons the vaccines were not approved for kids below 16 in the first place?

 

The OP says:

That is NOT a valid "risk vs benefit" analysis.

And, it IS a popular antiVaccination approach to selling the idea that vaccinations need to rejected.

That makes this an important OP for responses oriented to understanding how a valid "risk vs. benefit" analysis must be conducted.

 

The aspirin argument does not wash because no child should ever take aspirin for anything! Ever!

 

Your post notwithstanding, all these vaccines have emergency use authorization only. I have seen nothing that says full approval is just around the corner, as you seem to imply. As I just posted, Phizer hopes to have emergency use authorization on younger age groups by September or October. Again, full approval doesn't seem to be around the corner.

What you didn't even attempt to answer is at what point is the emergency over? As I posted, we are at 224 average daily deaths and declining. It goes without saying that once the "emergency" is over, so goes the need for administering emergency use vaccinations, yet we see all the drug companies rushing for more "emergency use authorizations" for ever younger (and less at risk) age groups.

 

The teachers unions have been despicable during this pandemic.

They have bent over backwards to not have to teach during this pandemic. They have put their safety over kids. They have shown little regard for the comfort and emotional well being of kids and played politics with this pandemic.

If the teachers are all vaccinated why is it necessary for the kids to be vaccinated?

 

The initial testing that has gone on since more than a year ago and led up to the emergency approval for adults didn't include kids under 16.

So, the various vaccines didn't earn even emergency approval for that audience.

I'd add that your cites point out that analysis does not stop once approval is attained. Testing and analysis continues, and certainly includes all cases that seem to indicate that a negative outcome of being vaccinated is indicated (remembering that recent vaccination does not indicate that vaccination was the cause, and that there could be negative outcomes that don't include death, but still need to be examined).

 

13 year olds should never take aspirin.

 

If Adults get vaccinated kids do not need it.

 

I stated that as an example of how medical solutions are validated - how risk is analyzed.

That analysis is essentially the same for younger audiences. But, it considers data from that age group.

For an adult population, 15 deaths per 100,000 is considered good enough for aspirin. Obviously, COVID vaccines are stupendously better than that, and they solve more than headaches.

I don't know what the acceptable risk or the measure of benefit is for young teens, but it absolutely is NOT zero, as every medical solution for that age group has non-zero risk.