14 students killed, 1 teacher dead in elementary school shooting

see? It’s those hilarious generalizations into the absurd that cause people to reply to you with such comedic vigor. You actually think guns are created to kill loads of people and that’s priceless!

 

we would rather have a few deaths than a genocide, which happens when a populace is disarmed. We don’t have the nanny state blues.

 

That is not the definition of à génocide.
Further, what on EARTH makes you think some huge force would cause more deaths by guns than the current situation provide?
BTW no one is suggesting the police be disarmed
and finally
if someone wanted to take over your country, no number of guns would stop the armed drones, tanks, long range missiles and artillery and air force and navy they would use. This is the level any takeover would occurred, and able to be countered only by a larger national military force.
You dont think it would happen as it did 250 years ago do you?
Look at Ukraine. No number of personal weapons have stopped à relatively aged Russian army. It needs seriously effective matched weaponry.
Sorry but you are just playing another version of cowboys and indiens.
"A few deaths"?
That's fine as long as it isn't your child.
There need be NO deaths of the innocent if you simply stopped playing vigilante and leave law keeing to the professionals.
Unfortunately the police have backed off and left their responsibility to untrained unprofessional disconnected gun owners when it is their responsibility by definition.

 

And hereci am laughing out loup at your utterly lack of compréhension.
First that the UK and Australia are the same place.
Then the definition of génocide.
And now rewriting my posts.
Can't you offer someone who knows what they are talking about to replace you?

 

I don’t know and neither do you. Any argument about what someone may have done is nothing but an exercise in bias. I could say, they’d turn them into the police. You don’t know and neither do I, so you can stop speculating based on bias.

Well regulated meant functioned well. Also, we have the organized and unorganized militia. Guess what category civilians fall under? Unorganized. Guess the people having the right to bear arms so that a militia can function well is too much for some.

Please stop trying to remove my civil rights in my country. You truly do not know what it’s like here, what our laws are, and what we are allowed to do simply because it is a right.

 

This is a "forum". We are here to reply to posts. Count your posts and replies.

IMO, insisting that innocent victims remain disarmed and helpless encourages violent criminal predators. "One day à group of gunman, law abiding or not, will gather and mow down à crowd of innocent people"? That has already happened. It is past time to arm the innocent targets.

 

That usually happens when the price of illegal guns justifies the effort. The little weapons shops in Pakistan can make every kind of military weapon from scratch.

 

They have quite a collection of gunsmiths over there in some of the bazaars. They’ll make pretty much anything.

 

Your right to bear arms does not make a well regulated militia.
It makes an unregulated mob.
And it is effective only as a single killilng machine. Often by very sick people.
Being à right does not mean you have to do it. It is my right to jump off à cliff. The choice is yours.

And finally and for the last time, I grew up in the US. I spent all my education there. I am perfectly aware of the laws and culture of the place.
I am also aware of where orher places organisé theirs and do it better. You are not. You are in a dark box with no visible option.
A pity.

 

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

 

I'm hearing nothing but a bunch of sanctimonious opinion there.

 

They have apparently been making over a thousand guns a day in Darra for at least 70 years.
All they need is the scrap metal left behind in Afghanistan by every foreign military foolish enough to go beyond the Khyber Pass.
The captured US arsenal in Bagram may put a dent in their business for a few years.

 

I saw this somewhere else but it was a good breakdown.

we want a free state so what do we need? A well functioning militia.

how are we going to do that? By having the right to keep and bear arms and it shall not be infringed.

who has that right? The people.

I’m not going to change your mind and you most certainly are not going to change mine. Just because you spent time here doesn’t make it right for you to have my civil rights removed. So far, you’ve not shown you really do understand our laws when it comes to firearms.

Look up the laws for unorganized militia, educate yourself, and realize millions and millions of people in America are a part of the unorganized militia.

 

Big Government is the great threat to human survival. Modern era tyrannies murder by the tens of millions.
An armed people can easily deal with the criminal element.

 

Please dont truncate the amendment.
That is dishonest.

 

It would be very nice if I could have so much influence that I can remove your rights.
There should never be an unorganised militia. That is called an armed mob. It is not possible to make laws for an unorganised mob. That is an oxymoeon because the moment you have laws, you have organisation.
You can keep saying it is your right. That is not a rationale or à responsibility. As I said it was a right to drive sheep across London Bridge until not long ago. Rights can be dangerous as time passés. Ditto your 2A. It was written for another time and context. It has now become an excuse to kill.
Millions and millions of people not being in organised militias but armed is contrary to 2A.

 

genocide is what happens when a government no longer fears its people. I’d give some examples but you should already know that.
Let’s remember Vietnam and how an armed populace kept a foreign military at bay for years, which is a lot closer to what we’d expect in the US. You don’t actually have to WIN a war on your home land, but as a citizen and not a subject you at least have a fighting chance.

which is something you’ll never ever have in the UK, where you get arrested for Facebook posts.
There NEED to be a lot of things but the shoulda/woulda/coulda game is for those with no real point.
Guns are going nowhere but at least we know the only deaths you care about are the ones you don’t like.

 

I can’t remember where every non American is from who thinks they understand the US, I’m not your biographer.
That’s ok, we don’t take advice from subjects, we’re citizens. Best you guys don’t have guns, to be honest. Poor impulse control is something of a problem in the UK.

 

I dont really care what happens in the UK.
I don't live there.
I see no political situation remotely similar to that which occurred in Vietnam. The populace wasn't armed. The war was played out over their heads.
Please review the word "genocide". You are still misusing it.

 

Since mass murder of innocent citizens dozsnt happen anywhere else, you may best listen to others.
What happens in the UK does not affect me. I don't live there. And since you reject views from non résidents, perhaps you could take your own advice and stop your running commentary on a place you know nothing about.
Facebook posts which incite violence are banned and this is not a national décision. It is taken by Facebook the company. Best check your own incitement laws...I understand Trump and some allies are embroiled in such American laws andcare being investigated in préparation for court procédings.
Dance around the fact all you want, no country has the record of the death of innocent people to equal yours. That you defend it indicates the amoral élément in American culture.

 

Sooooo was the Uvalde shooter a part of a “well regulated militia”?

 

Why not quote the entire thing

 

Because he only quotes the bits that fit.
Dishonestly.

 

lol the populace in Vietnam wasn’t armed? Oh, **** you must hate google.
Throughout history disarmament has been followed by genocide, something that’s apparently new to you. Sudan, Armenia, Rwanda…

so stay where you are, the last thing we need is people who don’t live anywhere near here with string, poorly backed opinions on things they aren’t responsible enough to own.

 

He should not have been. There were things that should have prevented him from being able to purchase a gun but yet again, it wasn’t on the check when it should have been(I’m referring to items that would already disqualify you on the current form).