19 TRILLION dollar deficet...how do dems defend that..?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Dware, Jun 9, 2016.

  1. Dware

    Dware New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2010
    Messages:
    5,130
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Obama and the Democrats have pushed America's debt from 7 Trillion to 19 TRILLION in only 7 years..

    How does any Obama lover defend that?

    The Democratics led by Obama have destroyed America's future, there is no repaying that much money...it's impossible
     
  2. 9royhobbs

    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2015
    Messages:
    15,155
    Likes Received:
    5,610
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Then don't worry about it
     
  3. Dware

    Dware New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2010
    Messages:
    5,130
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Uh..what
     
  4. rahl

    rahl Banned

    Joined:
    May 31, 2010
    Messages:
    62,508
    Likes Received:
    7,651
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Did you just forget about the worst recession in 80 years?

    And, congress controls spending. What has the republican controlled congress done about spending?
     
  5. Arxael

    Arxael Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2014
    Messages:
    6,102
    Likes Received:
    88
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Who holds the power of the purse again? Oh yeah, the house which if I recall has been GOP held for about 6 years now. I think your question should be directed to them. How do any of THEM defend the debt?
     
  6. Daniel Light

    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2015
    Messages:
    31,455
    Likes Received:
    34,888
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Reagan doubled the debt.

    Bush doubled the debt.

    Roses do not grow from the butts of Republicans when it comes to the debt.

    But thank you for making a thread that criticizes Obama on a genuine issue.
     
  7. Jets

    Jets Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2016
    Messages:
    71
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    That's the great thing about deficit spending, the two political parties get to hammer each other over the increasing spending when they are both part of the problem. More often than not its nothing but political rhetoric.
     
  8. Questerr

    Questerr Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2007
    Messages:
    63,174
    Likes Received:
    4,995
    Trophy Points:
    113
    How did Republicans defend the debt when it went from $5 trillion to $10 trillion in 7 years?

    How about when it went from $999 billion to $2.6 trillion under a Republican?
     
  9. Arxael

    Arxael Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2014
    Messages:
    6,102
    Likes Received:
    88
    Trophy Points:
    48
    They defend it by pointed out the Dems did worse, which of course is BS since BOTH parties have successfully increased the debt and neither is really serious about doing anything about it. Instead both parties just point fingers to the other and say they aren't willing to cut the debt, while their other hand is spending on their own sacred programs.
     
  10. Dware

    Dware New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2010
    Messages:
    5,130
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    0
    To you Obama lovers..

    Was it worth it?

    Was it worth selling out America's future, your kids furure?

    Half of every dollar the IRS steals from Americans now just go to service the debt!..that's insane!

    19 TRILLION dollars debt and there is still 44 MILLION people on food stamps!

    The poor got poorer!...we sank the ship for nothing, absolutely nothing!
     
  11. Lesh

    Lesh Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2015
    Messages:
    42,206
    Likes Received:
    14,119
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And everyone seems to ignore the FACT...that we DON'T "repay" that debt. Never have.

    We only pay the interest on it and we can well afford to do that

    We still carry the entire debt from WWII in that bundle of trillions and it's practically meaningless because inflation ate away at it's value (cost).

    But hey...continue with your hand wringing.

    Remember...when Republicans get their hands on the purse strings again..."deficits (and thus the debt) won't matter" anymore
     
  12. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    77,668
    Likes Received:
    52,234
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Not just Dems. The Power of the Purse is in Congress and more specifically the House of Representatives. We have run up a whole lot of Debt while the GOP has held the House. And it needs to stop!

    We were very close in the 80's to Convention of the States to draft a Balanced Budget Amendment, but we were talked out of it by Gramm-Rudman. What different future we would have had if would have carried through.

    Oh well, we are still on a few states short of calling for a convention to draft a Balanced Budget Amendment. We probably ought to do it!
     
  13. Dware

    Dware New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2010
    Messages:
    5,130
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Oh I agree with that...lots of rinos on the right

    I truly believe Trump is our last shot...he doesn't care who he pisses off....he's already made his billions...time to save the country

    If Trump can't do it, we are done!
     
  14. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,464
    Likes Received:
    14,677
    Trophy Points:
    113
    we don't have a $19 trillion deficit.
     
  15. Dware

    Dware New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2010
    Messages:
    5,130
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    0
    You're right..the debt is 19.2 TRILLION..!

    Thanks

    http://www.usdebtclock.org/
     
  16. Daniel Light

    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2015
    Messages:
    31,455
    Likes Received:
    34,888
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Sorry to break this to you but Trump is not running for Emperor. And even if he had the power, if you think a narcissist who craves adulation
    is going to really significantly tackle the debt problem, then you are sadly mistaken.
     
  17. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    77,668
    Likes Received:
    52,234
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Nope! Our strategy of primarying the establishment, kicking them out, and replacing them with those dedicated to Constitutional restraints is a strategy still bearing fruit.

    Cantor, Boehner, and you can be damn sure everyone else has noticed. The guy without a chin? McConnell? That SOB, if we can't beat him in the primary, we will cross party lines and vote for his Democrat opponent in the general if that is what it takes to defeat him.

    There will be no knockout, this is a steady grind. Trump is just one tool in the toolbox and its just one or two terms.

    Also cooking behind the Tea Party strategy is the Convention of the States. Congress may not be able to get this together, my goodness, we are trying everything. But, if need be, through Constitutional Amendment we can get greater involvement of the State Legislatures, acting collectively, at the Federal Level.

    The States lost their House of Congress with the direct election of Senators, and the States wanted to make that change, so I'm not a proponent of going back. Once you moved on, there were reasons you moved on, and if you don't like where you are you should probably go on to something else; for example, the Recall of Senators on a Majority Vote of the State Legislature of the State they represent. Right now a US Senator won't even take the phone call of State Legislator. Make that change and they will pick up the phone next time it rings.

    Balanced Budget Amendment.

    That's probably enough. Make few changes, deal with unexpected effects, re-examine, see if what you have done has truly helped, give the changes time to bear fruit, then consider further steps.

    But those are two that I think would be worth doing at once.

    But Trump's a wildcard. We have to prepared for him losing and prepared for him winning and being a massive disappointment.

    I read something the other day that was encouraging: In the 30 years before the current GOP Congress, Federal spending increases averaged something link 6.5% a year. Since this new Congress, it's under 2%. Not enough, but we may have made more ground that we have given ourselves credit for.
     
  18. 9royhobbs

    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2015
    Messages:
    15,155
    Likes Received:
    5,610
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You post said it's impossible to pay back so don't worry about it.
    It must be an presidential election year because that's the only time you hear about the debt.
     
  19. Dware

    Dware New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2010
    Messages:
    5,130
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Well I've been talking about the debt for since Obamas 1st year in office..

    When Bush pushed it.from 2 to 7 Trillion that was for two HUGE wars that actually provided jobs (pro tip: war makes.money)

    Obama pushed it from 7 to 19 TRILLION for what?...

    You tell me what it was for?...The poor in this country have never been more poorer as under Obama reign..

    Obama cares more about shutting down American companies and trannies in bathrooms than he does the American worker

    So....you seriously do not care about a 19 TRILLION dollars debt?..doesn't concern you huh?
     
  20. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2013
    Messages:
    25,350
    Likes Received:
    5,257
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Yet you forget that Democrats were in control of Congress for four years causing the Recession/Depression that we have yet to recover from thanks to the failed leadership of Barack Hussein Obama.
     
  21. rahl

    rahl Banned

    Joined:
    May 31, 2010
    Messages:
    62,508
    Likes Received:
    7,651
    Trophy Points:
    113
    economies take longer than 4 years to fall apart. The crash that happened was over a decade in the making. And of course we have recovered. Unemployment is under 5%. The stockmarket has tripled since Obama took office. All this in SPITE of an obstructionist GOP congress.
     
  22. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2012
    Messages:
    32,956
    Likes Received:
    7,587
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So Ronald Reagan doubled the deficit when he was in office, George Bush doubled the deficit when he was in office, and Obama doubled the deficit when he was in office. Now, how many of them are Dems and how many are GOP'ers?
     
  23. rahl

    rahl Banned

    Joined:
    May 31, 2010
    Messages:
    62,508
    Likes Received:
    7,651
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Why are you blaming the president for a REPUBLICAN controlled congress that controls spending?
     
  24. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2013
    Messages:
    25,350
    Likes Received:
    5,257
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You're correct, the seeds of the Housing Bubble debacle were sown during the Clinton administration and nurtured and fed by Barney Frank, Raines, Holder and Gorelick.
     
  25. rahl

    rahl Banned

    Joined:
    May 31, 2010
    Messages:
    62,508
    Likes Received:
    7,651
    Trophy Points:
    113
    why are you blaming a president for a republican controlled congress's policies?
     

Share This Page