#2 Examination question for Womb Police cadets of the future-

By your logic, a third trimester fetus is obviously not a part of the womans body (and it isnt.)

Do you believe that third trimester abortions should be legal, yes or no?

 

Other than Ander's photoshopped graph, how else are pro-lifers "dishonest"?

 

how did you get away with using the term murder and it not being challenged…is the Gorn effect on PF?

 

Sam, by the 3rd trimester, if it can't survive outside the body of the woman...it's already going to die.

BTW, you always go to late-term abortion....because you know how hard it is to "sell" your case in earlier stages of gestation, don't you? Especially when the argument starts to go against you, as it just did.

But to answer your question....I support it being legal if the life and health of the woman is at risk.

Do you? If it came down to a 3rd trimester abortion....and the woman dying, but the fetus surviving....would you oppose it? Yes or no?

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I use the "pro-lifers" definition. Oddly, many of them when pressed on specific hypotheticals?

BACK OFF their claim that "abortion is murder"....have shown that many times here.

 

1-Define "health of the woman".

2-Read below.

 

why are you so against life…the very phrase pro lifer connotes something humane …and then all this hatred and anger with hostility beyond comprehension for a people wanting human life to exist and be protected and allowed to follow the course of nature …


but then it has been proven by me that abortion is a way of culling the hatred in the world..passing on this hatred through genetic memory…

so i am at a crossroads myself…but i refuse to lie to myself and become part of the murderous horde …i use murderous as a metaphor for terminating the growth process of human beings…even if they contain the genetic memory of sociopaths…

sociopaths want to kill…and i fear it is survival of the fittest …and reason for allowing the abortions to take place there by freeing the world of hate filled people…forever…

ahhh the long game of evolution...

 

Where do you want to start?

Abortion increases the risk of breast cancer - False
Abortion can effect your chances to conceive again - False
Post Abortion Syndrome - False
Contraception Doesn't work - False
Contraception doesn't stop the transmission of STI's - False
Sex education and contraception increases abortion - False
Abortions 'skyrocketed' after Roe - False
There is a 'person' at conception - False
The Bible condemns abortion - False
Margaret Sanger was pro-abortion and racist - False
Abstinence only sex education reduces abortions - False

Shall I continue?

 

Where they say they think "Abortion is murder"....but then don't actually treat it like "murder" when asked about prosecution or enforcement.

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1. Where a woman's health is impacted negatively.

2. Answer my question, Sam. If it came down to the choice of a late term abortion....or the woman dying but the fetus surviving.....which would you choose?

Remember, YOU're the one who demands Yes or No, Either/Or answers on late term abortions.

 

Many of which Sam has claimed....and which have been shown to be false....and some of them, even after they are shown to be false?

He keeps claiming them.

 

1-That's true, not a lie. Many women feel depressed and guilty after abortions.

2-Prove that the Bible condones abortion.

 

1. Again, no data except from biased "pro-life" sources.

2. Not what Fugazi posted.....the onus is on YOU to prove that the Bible opposes abortion.

Can you?

 

I already told you my answer.

http://www.gotquestions.org/abortion-Bible.html

 

I would absolutely love it were you to explain how the fetus in a womans body is not a part of it....a new biology would be fascinating.

 

1-Pro-choicers post data from biased pro choice websites. What's wrong with me posting data from a "biased" pro life website?

2-God says, "thou shall not murder". And a fetus is a human life. That is beyond dispute.

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It's inside of her body, but it's a separate person.

 

Notice....even the Cut & Paste you post for "your answer"....doesn't answer the question.

Because we all know the answer, don't we, Sam? If the fetus survived...you'd be fine with the woman dying.

BTW, I can show where God condones killing babies...quoting the Bible. Can you show where he opposes abortion?

 

1-Yes, it does answer the question. Reread it. Explain why you think it doesn't answer your question.

2-The Sixth Commandment shows that God is against abortion.

 

Just as many women feel depressed and guilty after giving birth .. perhaps we should start a new word PBS (Post birth syndrome), and as has already been shown to your many, many times the vast majority of women feel relief after an abortion and for those that do suffer some form of depression they have either;

a) been suffering from mental instability prior to the abortion
b) or, the pregnancy was wanted and the loss of a wanted pregnancy is the cause of the depression.

and as usual your revert to standard form. I don't need to prove the bible condones abortion the onus is on you to prove it doesn't.

 

The Sixth commandment says, "thou shall not murder". I don't think God would condone a woman killing her own child for convenience reasons.

 

Errrr - ethics

You cannot control what others do - only what you yourself do and posting from biased sites is ethically questionable.

 

I see, so it is a part of her...but then again not.

It is separate but included.

It is a human within a human.....what ever shall we do.


It needs to shout out for the right to control her.....oh wait, it cannot.

And so you who have nothing to do with either of them...feel the need to do so.




Are you a God?

 

and again that neither proves whether the bible condones or does not condone abortion, and what you 'think' god would condone is irrelevant.

For one thing you have to look at what the context of 'murder' for that time period. Murder could only punished if it was against a BORN person, there are plenty of examples of this in the bible, there are no direct examples of a person being executed for causing the death of an unborn. The only one that alludes to a punishment is Exodus 21: 22-24 and even this is wide open to interpretation, it can read as relating to the fetus or the woman.

Given that for that time period the people had very little knowledge of how pregnancy worked it would be extremely unlikely that they would attribute rights to the unborn.

 

If it's wrong for them to do it, it's wrong for you to do it. Nothing about someone else acting wrongly gives you permission to do so. A fetus IS human life, eggs and sperm are also human life. Whether it is "A" human is up for discussion.

Sorry, but "separate" means "not attached." You must know that if a woman is controlling her own body, that includes what is inside her body.

 

1. No, it doesn't. Nowhere in that clipping does it say "We'd support an abortion if it was needed to save the woman's life." Show me where it does.

2. God ordered the killing of babies in the Old Testament, Sam. AFTER the 10 Commandments, by the way.