2 Israelis and 1 Palestinian die in illegal Israeli Settlement conflicts

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  1. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    25-year-old Israeli-American Asher Palmer, an immigrant to the town of Kiryat Arba, and his 18 month old son Yonathan were killed when rock throwing Palestinians caused his car to drive off the road. It is believed that one of the rocks struck Palmer in the head leading to loss of control of his car.

    On the same day in the town of Nablus one Palestinian was killed and three others wounded by Israeli military gunfire.

    http://news.yahoo.com/settlers-killed-stone-throwing-palestinians-police-183909750.html

    Kiryat Arba, as well as all other Israeli settlements in the West Bank, are illegal under the 4th Geneva Conventions which prohibits the transfer of an occupying power's civilian population into occupied territory. Israel doesn't view these settlements as illegal but the Israeli view has been rejected as without basis in international law by the International Court of Justice and the International Committee of the Red Cross.

    Israel continually demands that others respect it's right to exist but it must earn that respect. The first step in earning that respect is Israeli compliance with international laws. If Israel refuses to comply with international laws then the senseless killing of both Jews and Palestinians as we see exemplified in this news story will continue.
     
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    free man Well-Known Member

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    So far from the truth....
    What you call "kiriat arba" is just an area in Hebron (in Arabic Halil).
    There has been Jews in Hebron for 3000 years.
    Jews lived there long before the term "Arab" was invented and they continued to live there up until today.
    Nothing illegal nor a settlement.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    There is no question about the Jews that were living in Kiriat Arba have a right to live there. What is prohibited by the 4th Geneva Convention is the allowing of civilians from an occupying country to move into an occupied area.

    In accordance with the 1949 Armistice the existing residents were to be allowed to return to any towns or villages where they had lived. Of note Israel later denied this right of return to between 400,000 and 700,000 Arabs that had fled from the Arab-Israeli conflict.

    So it wasn't the existing resident population, regardless of race, ethnic origin or religion, that is in violation of 4th Geneva Conventions but instead the immigrants from Israel since the 1948-49 conflict that have been allowed to immigrate that constitute a violation of the Convention. This has been confirmed by the International Court of Justice.

    Once again if Israel wants to gain the recognition of other people and nations it must comply with international laws and customs. The occupation of the West Bank in violation of the 4th Geneva Convention is a serious problem which is the cause of most of the current conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians. If Israel wants the respect and recognition of other people and countries then it must earn that respect and recognition. We do not respect criminals and Israel's violations of international law makes it a criminal nation undeserving of respect.
     
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    free man Well-Known Member

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    Jews have always lived in Hebron, the fact they continue to live there has nothing to do with the 4th Geneva convention. In fact the ones who want to ethnically cleanse them are the ones who violate international law.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    No one wants to ethnically cleanse the long established Jewish population from Hebron. Those that have historical roots in the city have every right to be there. That is not the issue. The issue relates to Israeli Jews that do not have family roots in Hebron and that have immigrated there in violation of the 4th Geneva Convention which is a violation of international law.

    Let us not forget that Israel has denied the Right of Return to hundreds of thousands of Arabs that have roots inside of Israel which is also a violation of international law and the Armistice that Israel agreed to in 1949. Just like the historic Jewish population in Hebron these individuals have a right to live in the towns and cities where they and their families were citizens prior to the Arab-Israeli war of 1948-49.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    http://news.yahoo.com/israel-says-p...VjA21pdF9zaGFyZQRzbGsDbWFpbAR0ZXN0Aw--;_ylv=3

    This is expected and unquestionably true but why haven't the Israeli authorities also come out to blame the Israeli military for the death of the Palestinian that was killed on the same day? Apparently in the lop-sided view of the Israeli authorities if actions by the Palestinians result in death they are to be blamed but if the Israeli military kills someone then no blame is to be assigned.
     
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    Welcome to the life of a Palestinian....
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Of note the actions of both the Israelis and the Palestinians were wrong and both need to be condemned for their acts of violence. Let us not forget that fact. Stoning of an innocent person by Palestinians is just as reprehensible as the murder of an innocent person by the Israeli military.
     

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