2011 Nile water war

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  1. mapleleafer8

    mapleleafer8 New Member Past Donor

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    I think this is the year the Nile water war will begin with regards to the physical attacks

    Will the whole world be drawn into this war?

    so it's

    Uganda, Tanzania, Kenya, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Burundi, Rwanda and Ethiopia and a new state that may branch off from Sudan vs Egypt and Sudan

    Egypt and Sudan have about 74 % of the Niles waters

    this is why I think (*)(*)(*)(*)s gonna go down, from this article I will post the reasons they say

    http://www.tehrantimes.com/Index_view.asp?code=232863

    CAIRO (UPI) -- The expected emergence of a new state in southern Sudan following a January independence referendum is causing alarm in Cairo because the signs are the infant state will join other African countries battling Egypt for a greater share of the Nile River's waters.


    In May, most of the upstream states grouped together in a new alliance and gave the downstream states a year to agree to a more equitable share of the Nile waters.

    Which will be around May 2011

    According to U.S. diplomatic cables unveiled by WikiLeaks, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak sought to convince Washington to postpone the scheduled Jan. 8 independence referendum in southern Sudan because of the potential loss of Nile water.

    Indeed, Ethiopia's leader, Prime Minister Meles Zenawi, one of the most militant of Egypt's critics, claimed in November that Cairo sought to destabilize his country by supporting rebel groups opposed to his regime.

    Why Zenawi would want to raise the temperature on the Nile issue right now is not entirely clear.

    But he has domestic problems and the Nile provides a diversion. He has infuriated Egypt by building five huge dams on the Nile over the last decade and has started construction of a new $1.4 billion hydroelectric facility.
     
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    waltky Well-Known Member

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    Films explore variety of conflicts over life-sustaining resource...

    Fight for Water Hits Crisis Levels Worldwide
    March 22, 2011 - "Dhaka’s Challenge" explores the limited access to safe water and adequate sanitation in one of the fastest growing cities in Asia.
    See also:

    India Could Face Water Woes In Coming Decades
    March 21, 2011 - U.N. World Water Day is a reminder that some of the world's looming water crises are urgent and vast in scope. That is especially true in South Asia, where hundreds of millions of the world's poorest residents lack basic water infrastructure, and where access to natural water supplies is set to become ever more competitive.
     
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    waltky Well-Known Member

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    Look for wars in the ME being fought over water...
    :omg:
    Mideast Water Shortages Threaten Millions
    December 09, 2011 - At Cairo's posh Gazeera Club, workers leave the showers running as they sit nearby drinking tea and chatting. Large quantities of water pour down the drain as water pipes around the city and its suburbs run dry.
     
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    I would say we'll definately see water wars happening in northeastern Africa. The region is expected to have massive population growth in the near future and water is already an issue.
     
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    Egypt an' Ethiopia gonna get into it over Nile River?...
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    Egypt Fears Diversion of Nile Waters for a New Dam
    May 29, 2013, WASHINGTON — Egypt is expressing concern at Ethiopia’s move to divert water from the Nile River to allow construction of a massive hydroelectric dam.
     
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    Ethiopia not backing off Nile dam project...
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    Ethiopia: Halting Dam's Construction Unthinkable
    June 06, 2013 — Tensions between Egypt and Ethiopia are rising after Ethiopia began diverting the water of a Nile River tributary to build the continent’s biggest hydroelectric power plant. Despite criticism from Egypt, Ethiopia says construction of the dam will proceed.
     
  8. Taxcutter

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    Note the thread that runs through all this? Inefficient and corrupt governments cannot deliver water. People have to rely on the private sector.
     
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    Ethiopia throws down the gauntlet...
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    Ethiopia Ratifies Nile Treaty in Snub to Egypt
    June 13, 2013 — Ethiopia's parliament unanimously ratified on Thursday a treaty that strips Egypt of its right to the lion's share of the Nile river waters, raising the political temperature in a dispute between Cairo and Addis Ababa over the construction of a dam.
     
  10. Mr. Swedish Guy

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    There will not ba a world war over this. Its just a chaotic post revolutionary egyåt and a poor ethiopia and other african states. No one cares about thir squabbles, unless there's oil or something there.
     
  11. Taxcutter

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    Just what is Egypt gonna do about it if upstream countries start diverting that much water? Their incompetent army cannot project power much above the First Cataract. Campaigning in the Nile valley requires lots of riverboats and a portage at each cataract.

    Kitchener had to enlist the help of the Royal Navy to support his army retaking Kartoum. Egypt has no such resource.

    The Egyptians can only sit there and contemplate the mudflats that the dry Nile will become - - and die.
     
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    Small_government_caligula Banned

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    Sorry but your dream of privatizing all water in the US will never happen, ever.
     
  13. Taxcutter

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    "...your dream of privatizing all water in the US will never happen, ever."

    Taxcutter says:
    Sure it will. That is inevitable. As soon as government cannot deliver the outcry will be for the private sector to step in.
    Government is too stupid to handle something like this.

    Wreck your life with law enforcement? Yeah they can do that?

    Provide water? Nope. They use private contractors now.


    Either way, there is nothing the Egyptians can do if the upstream nations divert the water.
     
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    Small_government_caligula Banned

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    Sorry but you're 100% wrong; municipalities that have experimented with "private water" in the U.S. have generally taken back control of their water supply as they realize that water is best controlled by an entity accountable to the public. It is a huge problem that politicians have kept rates low for so long that capital improvements to the water supply cannot take place, but how exactly are you going to design an equitable rate structure where everyone pays their "fair share"? Lower-income households tend to use more water than higher-income ones because of their older homes and larger household sizes, although I'm sure that doesn't matter to you.

    Private enterprise does not work with water. Water is a natural monopoly, unlike electricity where there are dozens of electric producers, so since accountability cannot come through a competitive market it must come through politics. The bottom line is that "private water" is all about creating another "investment vehicle" for the financial sector, because you can create a somewhat-possible commodity trading market in water if you applied the same financial principles that are used for investment and speculation in oil, electricity, soybeans, etc. Fortunately, Americans have not accepted and will not currently accept that their drinking water is part of some hedge-fund strategy, although perhaps you can defend this position. One thing is for sure, though: if your Republican buddies tried to introduce federal legislation to "privatize all water in the US," you had better be prepared for civil war.
     
  15. Taxcutter

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    The water system in Indianapolis is privately run.
     
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    This issue goes back to the 1970s.. have you followed it?
     
  17. Taxcutter

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    The question still stands. If the upstream nations divert Nile water, what can Egypt do about it?

    Pretty much nothing.
     

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