2022: The Year Japan and Germany Became ‘Normal’ Countries

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  1. Blinda Vaganto

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    https://thediplomat.com/2022/12/2022-the-year-japan-and-germany-became-normal-countries/

    The article is quite long and nuanced but the main point is quite clear. Germany and Japan are arming themselves.

    The question is whether this is good or bad. Will it instigate an arms race with China and Russia or will it contain them?
     
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    I'm fine with it. I would like to see Germany insist that all their citizens respect the rights of others.

    HOW LONG WILL CIVILIZATION TOLERATE THE TANTRUMS OF THE SPOILED CHILDREN OF THE RICH? Berlin: German Climate Militants Block Berlin’s Highway System, Bring Jackhammers To Tear Up The Road.

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    Japan has been doing this for ten years now. Even the former PM Abe, may he rest in peace, started that movement over a decade ago.

    But historically, a lot has to do with both countries' past and their constitutions. Both countries in their constitution do not allow their military forces to be deployed beyond the borders of their country.
     
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    Some Europeans have very long memories, as well as Asians.
     
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    Germany, I'm sure, would be very happy to experience a little extra warmth, or a little more abundant energy, both things that too much of the Left seems to be very much against.
     
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    The point in the article is that the war has accelerated processes that were already going.

    Are you saying that if hypothetically China would invade Taiwan Japan would not be able to intervene because of this?
     
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    Even though Germany sometimes does stupid things it's still an industrial giant. Just like Japan. And it seems like they both are now wakening. For better or for worse.
     
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    I don't know if it's good or bad, but Trump made it clear that they can no longer rely on the U.S. for defense. So it was unavoidable. They just can't risk us getting another future President who disparages our allies and supports dictators like Putin and KJU.
     
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    But the point of the article is not what you posted. And I responded to what you posted.


    I don't think China will invade Taiwan. But I do think they will do other things to pressure Taiwan to keep things interesting with Xi in charge. Second, Japan would intervene, there is a mutual defense treaty between the US and Japan that includes the island of Formosa, aka Taiwan.
     
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    What that might be?
     
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    What the hell?! Germany is light years away from war with Russia, what are they running from? Why did they join the army in the first place?
     
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    Good question, I was a pro in the West German Bundeswehr, soldier means that you have eventual to fight.
    That's the job. They went into the Bundeswehr for a civilian 40h job, desk job, or mechanic, or IT.
    Screw them, get rid of them, all 951.
     
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    The panda diplomacy, the denial of flights from Taiwan to China that now occurs, the infiltration of the Taiwanese political parties to sway their leaders to be more lenient, and a few others. They will of course do their military exercises in pretending to invade taiwan, but will never will do that.
     
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    They are scared IF a war breaks out with Russia and NATO with Germany included in NATO. But Germans are generally "pacifists" by nature and try to use diplomacy to resolve the issues.
     
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    @Alwayssa would you mind clarifying your post?
     

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