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  1. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not everything that doesnt kill you makes you stronger. No one has any clue what the long term effects of these vaccines are. To be fair, no one has any clue what the long term effects of Cvirus are either. I don't fault people for choosing to risk the vaccine... but neither should people be faulted for choosing to risk avoiding it.
     
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    The bolded: this is patently untrue on every single level.
     
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    Refusing unapproved vaccine is not approved

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    The deaths in this case are the statistics. If there are no fake deaths, then there are no fake excess death statistics. Keep going. You are almost there. Embrace reality.
     
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    So all the people in the country who had any exposure to COVID and did not get sick have the strength to overcome the virus?

    This means anyone who did not overcome the virus with their own immune system from 6 months or so i
    The worst vaccine risk, yet to be determined if it is actually caused by a vaccine, is less death of 1 in one million.

    The risk of death from COVID is approximately 1 in 850 people.

    So, for anti-vaccine people (at least about COVID) would reduce the 1 in 850 death risk to 1 in a million!

    Is a 1 in more than a million chance of death even considered "risk"? Since the alternative is 1000 more likely to occurs?

    These are not hard decisions. Driving a car 24 miles (driving without COVID vaccine) is a similar risk compared to driving a million miles (driving risk equivalent with COVID vaccine).

     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are discounting the potential for long term -and thus yet unforseen- side effects. All we know right now is the effects after some months.
     
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    The mRNA technology has been used for quite some time, and its not a brand new technology.

    It has been close to a year with COVID vaccine efforts, not seeing terrible problems either. Ramping up the production quickly has been a challenge but that is not a new technique either. Cultural eggs for vaccines were very challenging, quality control with a mRNA vaccine process may be more reliable in general.

    The testing was carefully monitored, and we have 10s of millions doses in use with close to ZERO problems, even the less than 1 in a million problem possible (but not likely since the problems from the vaccine may not be any worse than for these younger women) is of virtually no concern compared to COVID.

    The "discount" is Statistically negligible. What is curious is that many of the same people who encourage fear about the vaccines seem to quite comfortable claimor of how COVID risks are "so tiny" or "faked" or of little concern"?

    Why is 1 in a million or FAR less risk is so much worse than having millions of people who are daily seriously ill and/or dead from COVID?
     
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    Dunno. The way I see it, the risk of immediate and short term reaction to the vaccine vs immediate and short term reaction to covid are similarly extremely low. I'm concerned about the long term effects. Of both. But I can choose whether or not to expose myself to one. I choose not.
     
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    I'm not sure their local health providers or insurers would agree. If you opt not to take the free vaccine and end up in hospital with COVID (not highly likely but not impossible either) they are the ones get to carry the financial can for your stay. Now if you covered the costs of your stay yourself? No problem. Otherwise?

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    What you don't understand is that the dead people played no role in the numbers game. CDC and WHO manipulated the numbers, not the dead people. It's a bit sophisticated apparently, for you to grasp.

    And of course the media played the larger role, repeating the misinformation every day and night 24/7
     
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    When did they manipulate the total numbers of dead people, and where is your proof that they did? Or are those sorts of questions too "sophisticated."

    Yes, the number of dead people played a role in the "numbers game" of the numbers of dead people. Did you come up with that nonsense yourself or was it from another fringe conspiracy blog?
     
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    I've responded to that question many times from many different true believers.

    You and they demonstrate daily the simple wisdom of Kierkegaard's observation. It's easier to fool a man than it is to explain to him how he has been fooled. Yes, our misinformation efforts have succeeded brilliantly, as large parts of the American electorate believe many things that are false. :peace:
     
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    I am post vaccine 2 weeks allegedly fully immunized. I know about as many people who have had the jabs or at least 1 so far who haven't and don't intend to. Of those who have had it, the second shot reactions to the moderna one seem to be more consistent than the first shot reactions. They are day 2 flu like symptoms with headaches, day 3 feeling hungover, day 4 big energy burst that last for about a day or two. The first shot exhausted me for weeks. It was not just tired, it was football two-a-days in August kind of exhausted. About half the people I know who got the shot experienced something similar but not for as long as I did.
     
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    Yes, math was obviously invented by the Illuminati as a plot to control the world. Math is a conspiracy! Pythagoras was a lizard person!

    These conspiracy theories keep getting more desperate. Math is math, bud. When it says you are wrong, you are wrong. But, hey, you have a Kierkegaard quote, some looney snake oil salesmen, and some tinfoil blogs, so that should be enough to disprove math. Right? I guess it is easier to fool a conspiracy theorist into believing that math is a conspiracy theory than it is to explain to them that 2 + 2 = 4.

    The objective fact is that, by any reasonable measure, we've had hundreds of thousands more deaths than we should otherwise expect given the deaths we've seen in previous years.

    TL;DR (and all fringe conspiracy theorists DR), a lot more people died during the pandemic that you claim doesn't exist, and you are incapable of explaining why. I look forward to your next dodge. Maybe another quote from a philosopher? That's a lot easier than actually addressing the facts, after all.
     
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    Appears to be one of the dumbest things I have read today. Well done sir. Well done.
     
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