22 Israelis murdered 180 wounded during the last two months

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    this is not true and your claim is baseless games
     
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    No the armistice lines of 49 never mde the Negev part of Israeli territory, nor has Israel ever annexed the Negev.

    Israels only legal borders are the ones it originally agreed to.
     
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    he just makes things up.
     
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    Indeed Israel did try to be recognised along all the territory it had taken in 48, but it was rejected.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the UN recognized Israel within the 1949 boundaries, and most of the armistice lines are now the official border.
     
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    I do know what I said.

    So the West Bank is not part of "Palestine"?

    I qouted Article 80 from the actuall UN website. So now the UN has no clue about it's own Charter?

    I always claimed that the Mandate should be fulfilled, not just now. Hence, the Jews can settle in "Palestine", like the Mandate stated etc.

    I have rights in the West Bank. If would like to, I can settle in one of the settlements that exist today in the West Bank, Golan Heights, East Jerusalem, like Ahmed Tibi can do it.

    So there is no Arab Autonomy in the West Bank?
    The PA control Areas A and B, while in Area B you have the IDF that responsible on the security issues, like Oslo stated.

    And I arleady replied to you explanation. Please read it.

    It's all according to International law. The international law says so.

    Oslo didnt have to. The international law protects the rights of the Jews in the Land of Israel, and thus Jews have legal rights over the West Bank, as been part of "Palestine".

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    So Be'er Sheva, for example, is not an Israeli city that exist under the sovereignty of Israel?
     
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    only until the Mandate is concluded. and it was concluded in 1948 and the jewish nation in palestine was created.

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    funny, as this has been your claim for months
     
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    The British Mandate indeed concluded, while the document of the Madnate wasnt.

    It's all according to International law.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so the UN doesn't understand their own charter?
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If anyone came to "kill, burn, level houses, & kill on sight" it was FOREIGN Zionist Terrorists coming for "Free" land & slave labor.:

    "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as
    slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General
    Shlomo Lahat as mayor of Tel Aviv, 1983.


    All that is relevant to: "what preceeded (sic) what?" is that Native Palestinian Arabs who were already existing under religiously tolerant Ottoman rule have been forcibly driven from their homes of generations by FOREIGN, Colonial Powers & angry, hate-filled, invading "Master Race" / "Chosen People" Zionist Terrorist Gangs some well trained by Germany's SS. [2]

    While spilling their blood fighting the Ottoman Turks, Levantine Arabs were betrayed by the British from the Palestine they were promised under the McMahone Agreement due to the machinations of FOREIGN British Zionist Lobbies pushing through the Balfour Declaration

    As of 1850, only 2% -4% of Palestine was Jewish. Both those native Jews & Arabs dreaded the arrival of murderous, extremist, FOREIGN Zionist terrorist Gangs who, later, killed native Jews, British & Arabs alike.

    It was your FOREIGN Zionist Terrorists who introduced modern terrorist tactics to the Region, codified Ethnic Cleansing [Plan Dalet] & continue to practice it after over 6 decades

    It was precisely your heavily armed, well funded, FOREIGN Zionist Terrorists who: "Burned their crops, leveled their homes, stole their land, massacred their families, eviscerated their neighbors & vie FOREIGN Arms & Funds have herded these native Residents into a toxic & squalid Concentration Camp / Chemical Weapons testing ground.

    Your mythical "Happily Occupied Palestinians" nonsense rings as true as kindred racist cultures: "Happy Darkies singing in the Plantation Fields"

    Using your "logic", "most Arabs and Jews have good lives in Israel" is the same as saying that because over 150,000 German Jews loyally and bravely fought for Germany during WW 2 [1] that means there was no persecution of Jews in Germany.

    A better understanding for the sordid atrocities committed then & now by Zionist Terrorist Gangs by a quick glimpse at their FOREIGN sources of training and funding for Haganah aka IDF via Germany's SS [2]

    As you said: "....we will burn their crops, lvl their houses and if possible kill them on sight,......"

    Yes, I'm completely convinced that the currently run Zionist state will stoop to the lowest & most barbaric depths to expand & solidify its cruel Occupation of Vichy Palestine.

    The Americans who fund & feel the blowback of the atrocities perpetrated by your Zionist State Terrorism can only support the heavily persecuted, ethical, peace-seeking & courageous Israeli Jews in their efforts to bring about a more rational, longer sighted & genuinely peace seeking Israeli Government.

    Briefly put, "they" were there long before Israel's FOREIGN, grasping gaggle of Russians, Brooklynites etc came from afar.




    [1]“Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    EXCERPT : “150 000 Jews in Hitler’s(*)Army
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/150-000-jews-in-hitlers-army/

    “Not every victim was a Jew but every Jew was a victim.” -Elie Wiesel speaking of World War II.
    “If there were Jews in (Hitler’s) armed forces…who served knowing what was going on and made no attempt to save (lives), well then that is unacceptable and dishonorable.”(*)-Rabbi Marvin Hier, director of the Simon Wiesenthal Institute.

    Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler’s soldiers, including”CONTINUED


    [2] “Nazis SS Funded Nascent Israeli Army”
    http://www.henrymakow.com/israeli_haganah.html

    EXCERPT “In his 1988 book "Blowback," Christopher Simpson says captured SS records documented a covert agreement between the SS and the Haganah, the forerunner of the Israeli Defense Force. "CONTINUED

    "Under the arrangement the Haganah was permitted to run training camps for Jewish youth inside Germany.
     
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    Exactly as I thought :) a cartoon poster using wierdo nazi websites :)


    You sounded all serious at start but the crap always peeks out you just cant help yourselves :)

    CONTINUED!!!!!
     
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    Unbiased assessment of Israeli military tactics in the 2014 Gaza war

    https://www.facebook.com/StandWithUs/videos/10153349695857689

    Here we have a British military man describing what he experienced in his carrier.

    After watching and listening to this clip, no one should ever have any question about the morality of the IDF.

    I know many of you saw it before, but it is definitely worth watching and listening to again, and perhaps forward to all your friends.

    Compare that behavior to ISIS and any other Muslim wars, and immediately you recognize that Islam is not the religion of peace.
     
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    See reply nr 1
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=433636&page=73&p=1065664924#post1065664924

    See reply nr 2
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=433636&page=73&p=1065664924#post1065664924

    It does not mention 1 word that Israel drains 80% more out of the WB than agreed in the Oslo Accords, and giving it far more to Jews than to Arabs. So it's not debunking a thing.

    And my point 4 remains to infinity.. your experts don't get to trump the ICJ.
    You lost the court case... lol

    Nope. Youre still ignoring Arab civil rights
     
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    Interesting but I couldn't find one document that agreed to any border but the original partition border.
     
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    In other words, you can't refute anything I wrote or facts I cited & anyone is welcome to confirm:

    1. Up to 1880 Palestine's population was only 2% - 4% Jewish

    2. Both native Jews & native Arabs dreaded the arrival of violent & extremist Zionist Terrorist Gangs

    3. The German Zionist Federation worked closely with Germany's National Socialist Party & cared more about restricting Jewish emigration only to already inhabited Palestine than saving non Zionist Jewish lives.


    It was only after your threats to: ".... burn their crops, lvl their houses and if possible kill them on sight,......" that I cited that that was already done by FOREIGN, invading Zionist Terrorist Gangs to Palestine's existing population & continues to take place:


    “Israel Sprays Farms In Gaza With Poisonous Chemicals (Video)”
    http://yournewswire.com/israel-sprays-farms-in-gaza-with-poisonous-chemicals-video/


    “Israeli lawmaker: 'There are no innocents in Gaza, mow them down'”
    http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/337203#ixzz3rPJYr3Fs


    “Israel fires at Gaza boats, kills Palestinian fisherman: hospital officials”
    Reutershttp://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/07/us-israel-palestinians-idUSKBN0M30HP20150307#ZWIs3J97zbCT54DK.99


    “Gaza's corpse-ridden farms reveal destruction of Palestinian livelihoods”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...l-destruction-of-Palestinian-livelihoods.html


    “Behead Arab-Israelis Opposed to State, Says Foreign Minister”
    http://europe.newsweek.com/behead-arab-israelis-opposed-state-says-foreign-minister-312276


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    I've repeatedly made it clear that it is only Israel's violent, Expansionist & genocidal extremists that deserve condemnation.

    Meanwhile, the many ethical, peace-seeking & compassionate Jewish Israelis & Peace groups (aka "Liberals") are reviled by the murderous Right wing extremists you support.


    If you can't handle / refute my rebuttals maturely, don't keep bothering me me.
     
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    Oh please how many times are we going to get this Christian Zionist British Colonel - who exactly do you think you are kidding.
     
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    OK, let's look at just where Israel is, for all those Israelis who wish to ".... burn their crops, lvl their houses and if possible kill them on sight,......"

    Let's look at the take over by Fundamentalist Religious Jews which is happening in Israel - a move which the author of this book believes threatens the state of Israel and has been for quite some time but which rather than do what every other country would do, that is imprison the terrorists who are threatening the State, Israel gives them ever greater power.

    Intro
    Now let's have a look at the likelihood of Israel ever giving the Palestinians anything concerning justice and instead look at their intention to throw them into the sea and take all of their land. This is a question and answer interview with the above man.

    and finally given that anything which tells things as they are is always accused of being traitors, hate sites, antisemetics the professor is challenged on this

    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.692401

    The land of Palestine may be lost to the people who have lived there for thousands of years, the people who genetics suggest are the most direct descendants of the ancient Jews - but it is also lost to secular Israelis who wish to ".... burn their crops, lvl their houses and if possible kill them on sight,......"

    One of the most likely end scenarios of the colonising of the Holy Land and the ethnic cleansing or murder of the indigenous people may well be an extremist religious Israel every bit as bad as the ISIS one. You reap what you sow.
     
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    I only said that all the resolutions that state that the settlements are illegal, are been contradict by their own charter.
     
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    So if it is a state, then what are it's borders?

    I'm not nitpicking 1 sentence, but I'm using all of what Article 80 says.

    As I already stated:
    My source is debunking your claim about "Israel drains the Palestinains", because it shows that Israel is transfering water to the Arabs, and thus doing the opposite action of draining.

    Please stop repeating on claims that were already been replied to.

    I alreayd replied to such claim. Please read: http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=433636&page=35&p=1065615686#post1065615686

    Not really.
     
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    Until and when it sinks down and make a dent... and btw I am not kidding anyone.
     
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    and yet you misapply Article 80 to things that have nothing to do with Article 80.

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    and that is a lie

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    the Israel-Egypt peace treaty and the Israel-Jordan peace treaty, together finalize most of the 1949 Armistice lines into an official international border
     
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    Thank you all for your participation
     
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