24 percent total sales tax in California

Give me a break. If you don't like California, don't go there. If you live here, move out, we won't miss you.

 

I escaped California seven years ago. One of the three best things I ever did.

 

No more than you apparently assuming they won't be.

 

CA poverty rate is 11.5%. That's about the national average of 11.7%.
https://wisevoter.com/state-rankings/poverty-rate-by-state/

That is below all the states between Arizona and Florida/the Carolinas/and those around Tennessee.

As for who's leaving, the primary reason is the high cost of living here.

 

Eventually, the excessive taxes force people to make a tough decision. As other earners and job creators leave, do you believe our politicians will cut spending, or do you think they will increase the tax burden on those that stayed?

 

Fear mongering? 17.5% tax is nuts, and you admit that's happening.

Those dollars have already been taxed once when the person earned them.

Is there any tax the left doesn't support? Any limit?

 

People are. To the tune of almost a million people last year alone. Because the policies, the ones you defend, absolutley suck to anybody with a bit of simple logic.

 

High cost of living due to taxes and inflationary policies devaluing the currency. I'm sure you think it's because of density/demand though.

 

California's War on the Poor is unlikely to affect the rich much.

 

That's not because the left isn't trying.

What is the California mansion tax?
So what exactly is this new mansion tax all about? Well, it’s a tax imposed in California on property sales above certain thresholds. Specifically, if your property sale exceeds $5 million, you’ll be subject to a 4% tax. If it surpasses $10 million, the tax rate increases to 5.5%.

https://themortgagereports.com/108550/california-mansion-tax

 

Sell em a sammich for $7 M and the house for $4.9M. Problem solved.

 

People actually see those taxes, but that is not all the tax. If you are in business, you collect sales tax. You send 100% of it to the state or taxing entity. You are responsible for the book work. Any mistake you make up the shortfall, or give the excess to the state. But you work for the tax entities and take the risk without being paid. That does have an expense, which has to become part of the overhead of doing business... and i built into the price of what you sell, a hidden added tax to the customers.

When authority lacks oversight and accountability, it begins to think like a drug addict with daddy's credit card. They will spend every dollar their taxpayers have, and think it will never end.

 

Good for you, hope you like where you live now. I have lived here since the early 60s, love it and am damn proud of our state. Its a big country, we are all free to live where we choose.

 

Taxes affect property values across the state but mostly in the most desirable locations? Not sure how you came to that one, its a head scratcher to me. For instance, I live in a very desirable location and my taxes are the same as one pays in a less desirable one in say, Bakersfield or Mohave. We all pay essentially the same property taxes, the same income taxes, the same excise taxes and so on. Yet my house is worth a ton more than a comparable one in Mojave. You say because of taxes, I say its because of supply and demand which is directly affected by location in California.

 

And have you noticed the masses escaping California?
"SACRAMENTO, Calif. — California’s population fell by more than 182,000 last year, the first yearly loss ever recorded for the nation’s most populous state that halted a growth streak dating to its founding in 1850 on the heels of a gold rush that prompted a flood of people to seek their fortune in the West."
California leaving: State population declines for first time (nbcnews.com)

Will the last person leaving California please turn out the lights? If there is still electric service, that is.

 

Love it, want millions more to go with them. Why do you think more people is a good thing for California? We used to think that when I was a kid, proud of it to be honest. Then the crowds made everything more expensive and before you knew it, more laws were passed because more people were doing more stuff. Used to be you could drive right into Yosemite, pick a campspot and camp. Now, forget it. Used to be you could go hiking in the Sierras with your dog, now you need a permit and the dog....I am happy as a clam people are leaving, hope they fill up your state since you seem to love more people.

 

Wow - what a totally silly post.

 

Pure partisan stuff, every post is the same. Regurgitation of right wing talking points, bla bla bla. It is a fashion to bash California for them, they want so badly to paint us in a bad light because we represent the complete antithesis of their fantasies. First of all, we live with all types here, left, right, center and apathetic. We have more conservatives than most red states have people. We dominate the world in technology, film, agriculture, science, education, sports...you name it, we got it in spades. Are we the best at everything? Nope but what really is the best anyway? Can one say that La Jolla and Santa Barbara are the best coastal places on earth? Nope but they sure are nice aren't they? We just simply love our state, embrace our differences and try our best to have a meaningful life while being good shepherds of the values we all enjoy collectively.

 

You need a permit to take your dog on a nature hike? Wow. Typical California... state controls EVERYTHING. Here. we don't even need a permit to take a gun for a walk in the woods.

TEXAS!!! WHERE FREEDOM LIVES!!!

 

Having lived in CA for 21 years, I'll admit CA has some really nice locations, but you can't give Californians credit for how the earth was formed, same with the weather which is why so many companies moved out there. The original Hollywood was located in Fort Lee, NJ, my home town. But with freezing temps in the winter and killer humidity in the summer, the movie makers moved to a location where year round work was possible.

One of CA's problems is that they built up areas like Palm Springs and other places in the middle of the desert that have no natural water source. CA gets water and electricity from other states and in that regard they're not self reliant.

Another problem is their progressive policies that really should anger every parent with a kid in school and those issues have already been discussed here, same with their soft on crime attitude.

Like I said earlier, when I moved to CA I had previously lived in NJ and Puerto Rico, so when I got there all seemed sort of what I was used to and better than Puerto Rico. But then things slowly changed and not for the better.

 

... taxes affect property values creating an inflationary situation where the cost of living rises as a component of government policy, in this instance property tax. In other instances, sales, excise, fuel, and a host of other taxes and fees. Absolutely, those things are largely responsible for localized inflation.

I thought it was basic economics. Maybe not.

Which are drastically high in all those locations than say Tenneesee or Texas.

A bit of both. In your example, you are comparing two places in the same localized inflationary area. Compare your house value to the same house in Texas. It's drastically more expensive, and that isn't all based on desirabilty and supply and demand. It's based on localized inflation.

You think California is so expensive solely because of desirability?

 

I totally agree with your post. My dad was born and raised in Ft Lee, long ago. My in-laws lived in Palm Springs before they passed. I'm familiar with your references. You are so spot on!

 

Were you purchasing a cannabis or tobacco related product by any chance?

That's the only thing I can think of that is taxed to that amount

 

Property tax rates are largely uniform across California with minor differences due to local bonds and voter approved expenses. In general, the average rate is around 1.2% of the original purchase price of the property with very small increases allowed via Prop 13. If your property decreases in value from the original value when you purchased it, your tax base follows it. If your property goes up, the tax rate remains but you are only taxed at a maximum value of when you bought the property. For instance, if you paid 100k for your house in 82, you pay on that value. If your house value drops to 50k, you pay on that one. It gets assessed yearly. You say those taxes are contributing to inflation, inflation across the economy? Nope. The value of any property is determined by location, condition, supply and demand, interest rates and a host of other local factors such as income potentials in the area. A house in Mojave that is a duplicate of mine is going to sell at a fraction of what it will sell here because there is nothing in Mojave and people are not that crazy about moving there. Plus, there is plenty of land to build on whereas in most of densely populated California, we are already built out, only place to go is into the desert, pave ag land or go up. Reclaiming failing commercial properties as housing is also happening since Covid crushed the commercial real estate market.

Now you mention fees, permits, regulations and so on as contributors to housing prices, that is very true. We have tons of strict regulations about housing, streets, bridges, etc. Many of them are state mandates but even more are local ones. We have things like earthquakes, fires, mudslides, floods, storms and so on and most of us don't want entire towns wiped out because we don't build to code. In Texas, the entire state is available for housing expansion which is why you see such urban sprawl. If that is your desire, move to Plano or San Marcos and enjoy the cookie cutter malls and housing tracts. They have no income tax but have very regressive taxes across the board including tolls. Property tax rates around 2-3% also. Texas is set up for rich people, they are the ones who wrote the codes to protect their money at the expense of the average person. If you like Texas, live there.

 

It's a national forest and a national park, the rules are in place because too many people were hiking around at the same time. Dogs would **** on the trails and run down native animals. Campfires would start fires and wood collecting would destroy vegetation. As I keep saying, all of this was due to massive increases in population compared to my youth. That combined with a more aggressive stance towards stewardship of our national parks and forests have changed the way people enjoy the environment. You can't just take off on the John Muir Trail without a permit anymore, take your dogs off leash, light fires, drink the water and leave trash all over the place. My lord.