450 Arab and foreign extremists (Al-Qaeda) from Idlib arrive in Ukraine

If you are going to talk about the God of Abraham, then you must also talk about prophets for the God of Abraham into who has the true religion of the God of Abraham.

 

I am one of few that really understands Islam.
We are infidels to them.
For the real Islam there are 3 options - either you convert to Islam or you live under their rule as a slave or you are slaughtered.
Yazidim understand Islam ..

 

That is not what infidels really meant. A hadith written in the 12th Century, or maybe earlier, redefined infidel because of the three Crusade wars that Europe brought in the name of Christianity.

 

You are absolutely correct. The "Book of Sura" in the Koran explains that very succinctly. I might add that radical muslims really have no interest in this life. Their orientation is to gain admittance to PARADISE. To them, the key to entering PARADISE is to kill infidels (non-believers). This life is simply a foyer, an entranceway, to PARADISE.
Where did I learn all this? In Iraq, especially from my muslim "I-T" (Interpreter-Translator) who was joined at the hip to me for over a year.

 

That is what infidels mean in March 2022 !
Most Muslims don't know and don't care what happened in the 12th Century...

 

That is what the interpretation means to some. As I said, it was first used and redefined in a hadith in the 12th Century AD. It was done because of the Crusades that were happening at that time. Most Iman's don't teach that, only the extremist Imans do.

 

Sura means "chapter" and the Quran has 100 plus Suras. But then again, how many "Christians" practive the Beattitudes in Mathew Chapter 5? Or how many heed the words of Romans 12:1-2? Or how many heed the Good Sameritan parable or any of the other Parables that Jesus spoke of? Not many in my opinion.

 

If you wish to speak about the Bible and Christians, please open a new discussion in a new thread. The subject here is muslims killing infidel Christians to get to PARADISE. The Bible has nothing at all to do with that. THIS discussion is about how killing infidels (non-believers) is the muslim key to entering PARADISE.

( 9:5 ) And when the forbidden months have passed, kill the idolaters wherever you find them and take them prisoners , and beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush.

 

conspiracy theorie much?

 

That's not the subject.
I'm not reading anywhere that this is about Muslims wanting to get into paradise by becoming a merc.

 

I think you missed the point in my response. The person I was quoting thought that the meaning of infidel was applied universally and accepted by all of the faith. I took some basic tenants of Christianity and applied the same knowing that many Christians do not practice them. Hence, just because it is written in a holy book does not mean it is practiced universally by all of that faith.

 

Again, what does Christianity have to do with muslims and the Koran? Apples and space shuttles. To a radical muslim, an "infidel" is non-believer. Period.

 

Two branches off the same poison apple tree, really.

 

So you equate Christians with muslims. You view all religion as "poison". There is no further reason to talk with you. Folks consumed by hate, ignorance and intolerance to the point they cannot even hold a reasonable discussion offer nothing of value in a forum like this. I will block you now. Have a nice day.

 

Considering that Islam, Judiasm, and Christianity fall from the same branch, the poster who I responded to thought all of Islam believes that infidels means anyone who is not Muslim and I used Christianity and its basic tenents as a reference to respond.

It's a form of debate tactic which if one is a Christian or knows basic tenants of Christianity, then they would have gotten the point.

 

I'm no expert, but while there some common roots to Judaism and Christianity, I see none with those religions and islam. Islam traces its roots to celestial worship and really didn't come together until Mohammed put it all together from THOSE roots.

Lots of religions developed independently of each other. I don't believe that islam and Christianity have any more in common than Mormonism has with Buddhism.

 

Not really. Prior to Islam, the poeple of the Arabian pennisula did worship the stars and other gods. However, when Mohammad wrote the Quran, the root is that of the God of Abraham. The differences between the three great religions is who is the true prophet of God. Jews generally believe he has not come yet. Christians say Christ. Muslim say Jesus was a great prophet but not the true prophet, who is Mohammed. In fact, the Quran mentions Jesus more times than the Bible and even states some of this early childhood which was never included in the Gospels completely.

 

Christianity is quite celestial and astrological in its origins. That star worship you mention was kind of a big deal in that period of history. The synoptic gospels are essentially one big astrological allegory with Jesus as the sun. His 3-day death and subsequent resurrection is winter solstice. The gospels are not history at all. All they do is include certain real historical figures, but allegedly doing things they never actually did.

 

Desperate times sometimes garner desperate measures.

 

You think it's a conspiracy theory that Ukraine will hire mercenaries without vetting them to make sure they were not sent by the Taliban?

That's hardly a conspiracy theory.

 

I have no desire to sit around the temple or the mosque discussing ancient theological gobbledygook. What counts is the here and now. And here and now, radical muslims strive to kill non-believers to get into Paradise.

 

I'm calling it a conspiracy.
Can you prove they caught a person from the Taliban fighting there?
I'll be not holding my breath on this.

 

Christianity was a cult originally in the Jewish faith and then became a major religion over time. Although most people know about the traditional Bible, there is the Alexandria Bible, the Gnostic Bibles, and a huge amount of other literature of that time. In the early days, everybody had different thoughts about where Christianity should go. Enter Peter and Paul. Peter thought it should only be for the Jews. Paul said first for the jews and then to the Gentiles. Then the argument is should Christians follow "the law" or the Law of Judiasm as dicussed in Leviticus, Deutoronomy, etc. The answer became no and that Christ was setting a new law.

The holy trinity has been described as water. Water is the same whether it is a gas, a liquid or a solid. God is Solid, Christ is liquid, and the Holy Spirit is the gas. Three in same, but not every Christian believes in the Holy Trinity. Unitarians do not have that belief.

As for Christ's death, there is debate on when that day was. Christianity adopted Roman theology as their own and repurposed into Easter, the traditional day. Western Christians use the Gregorian Calender for Easter while Eastern Orthodox use the Lunar Year for Easter. As for Christ's death, it had more to do with the Jewish Faith at that time. When Christ Died, Friday, was done so that no work would be for the Sabboth, the most holy day of the week. No work meant no burial, no preparation of the body, etc. That is why, according to Luke, that the Roman soldiers pierced his heart to quicken death as to satisfy the Jewish faith. Since the death ranged from March to May, the winster soltice does not apply here.

 

There is question whether Christ existed. There is no historical record of him and his life story is obviously made up and follows the same pattern as other known myths. He may have been based on one or more real people, but not necessarily.

 

There are plenty of historical records. Romans kept excellent records and he has been described in those records on the day of his execution. However, all of these records are kept in one place, the Vatican, and are rarely allowed access to by outsiders from the Vatican. Then you also have Josephus, Tacitus, and Mishnah that describe him as well.