$6 or $7 per gallon is a small price to pay to defend democracy....

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  1. Hell Raiser

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    iirc, biden --stopped! fracking the day he took office.
    quote: . the oil companies are more profitable because they sell oil at higher prices. and why is that? they have to buy foreign oil at what ever cost the foreign nations want to sell it at. then the oil companies have to refine the oil and sell it to the consumer. at a higher price, because the oil companies pay more money per barrel from foreign nations. do you run a business? if you do you should know companies who pay more for what they need to make a product, ad that on to the price of what ever they sell. right? :)
    quote: thousands of drilling permits have been issued since biden took office. and thousands of them were-----dry holes! and the ones that can produce cost more with the new rules biden has put in place on fracking, and regular drilling & bringing oil out of the ground and shipping it to refinery's . because of no pipe lines. in alaska there is plenty of oil, but biden will not let them drill there. remember.? this is not rocket science, we had plenty of cheap oil under trump, but when biden took office, the bottom dropped out. and price per gallon started rising at a rapid pace. :) :evil:
     
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    if the saudis sell oil for higher prices than it costs to drill on public lands (they don't) we are selling our own public oil too cheaply. it again devolves into economics and public service vs looting resources that belong to the american people.

    the extensive environmental damage from offshore drilling or fracking should be paid at the pump by people who refuse to conserve or drive more efficient vehicles rather than by future victims of these toxic substances.
     
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    It is Biden that has sent gas prices through the roof,not Putin. As soon as Biden took office he increased the tax on oil from wells on federal lands, stopped the pipelines, stopped issuing license to drill on leased federal lands and discouraged fracking. Our oil production fell. Any chance of maintaining "energy independence" (exporting more energy than we import) established bump disappeared. Costs at the pump skyrocketed.
     
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    Remember reading about Marie Antionette? When told the the people had no bread to eat she responded "Let them eat cake!". She was o out of touch with her people and so well fed herself, she could not even conceive of the fact that they were STARVING. Democrats, in the same way, sit in their elitist spaces and cannot even imagine what its like to have to choose between getting to work and feeding your children because of high gas prices.

    Is Biden related to Marie Antionette?
     
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    $6 or $7 per gallon is a small price to pay to defend democracy....

    What on earth does the price of gasoline have to do with defending democracy? Have we gone over the edge trying to defend a corrupt federal government?
     
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    There are 2 jobs available for every American right now.
    As a single father back when gas prices were $4 a gallon more then a decade ago during a recession, I worked 2 jobs and went to school. What's the excuse now?
     
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    fracking should be completely outlawed. It takes millions of gallons of water per well to frack, using chemicals that are extremely dangerous to the environment that can easily get into the water table and poison rivers and lakes.
    Biden is doing the right thing by banning drilling in Alaska in its many extremely sensitive wildlife habitats. We should be using more nuclear, or maybe thorium reactors, along with further developing and investing in other sources of renewable energies. We should not wreck our natural treasures for energy that can be found elsewhere.
     
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    Not true. https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/@CL.1

    As shown by the chart, the price of oil plummeted when COVID emerged, began to recover as economic activity started to pick up, went higher when Putin amassed his army on Ukraine's border, and spiked when he invaded Ukraine. Any questions?
     
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    quote: Biden is doing the right thing by banning drilling in Alaska in its many extremely sensitive wildlife habitats. really? do you remember at least a decade ago, the u.s. --did--drill in alaska, and we are pumping oil from there for more then 10 years. only one spill by a drunk captain of a tanker. and the wildlife habitats are just fine. so your statement doesn't hold water. try reading history before posting.

    quote: We should not wreck our natural treasures for energy that can be found elsewhere. we haven't!!!! and we drilled in alaska, louisiana, texas, pa, and many other places and they are just fine.

    quote: It takes millions of gallons of water per well to frack, using chemicals that are extremely dangerous to the environment that can easily get into the water table and poison rivers and lakes. really? we have been fracking for a very long time. and everthing seems to be going fine, where have fracking poison rivers & lakes. i would be interested in where that is. it is certainly ---not---making headlines if it was.

    quote: We should be using more nuclear, or maybe thorium reactors, along with further developing and investing in other sources of renewable energies. yeah, right. nuclear? biden doesn't like that either. and thorium reactors? they are not even on the drawing board yet. so that is a lost cause. "renewable energies?" yeah right, that worked well in texas didn't it. they froze up and no power for the people. unless the lines come down coal, oil, & n.g. power plants keep producing energy no matter the weather. your --green---doesn't!!! nice try though. :) :evil:
     
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    Ever hear of Teshekpuk Special Area? I'm guessing not. It's been recognized as needing protection due to its ecological importance since the Reagan administration. Over 40,000 caribou use it as their calfing area. Tens of thousands of geese and other migratory birds use it as their molting area, a time when they are especially vulnerable. These birds flock here from around the world, and many have a threatened status. The most imperiled population of polar bears in the world, consisting of about 900, have their dens along a river just to the east of the area. Ever since Reagan this area has been protected from bein leased to energy companies. Of course Trump allowed the land to be leased. The infrastructure it takes to exploit the oil would have been disastrous for the area. Luckily Biden has put the brakes on all of it. I don't agree with much of what Biden does, but I fully support his shutting down the exploitation of oil when it harms ecology. There are other sensitive regions in Alaska. Teshekpuk is just one example.
     
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    quote: The infrastructure it takes to exploit the oil would have been disastrous for the area. really? that is the same "propaganda" used when the 1st pipeline was built in alaska, bringing crude oil from the north of alaska to the southern part for shipment to the u.s.. and nothing---repeat--nothing---happened to destroy the wilderness from that pipeline. it is still in use, and the wildlife are doing fine. check your history of alaska oil drilling & pipelines. this is pure "scare propaganda" your sighting. with no real facts to back up your claims. there have been hundreds of lib left propaganda claims claiming food shortages, acid rain, ozone hell, ice ages, water rationing, nyc- miami. being under water in this year or that year. and none have come to pass. it's just "scare propaganda" if you want i can send you my source on this non-sense. where claims have not come to pass. up to you. :) :evil:
     
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    Two jobs... at much lower wages because plenty of candidates are available for every job. Simple supply and demand.
     
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    I urge readers t look at the chart. It clearly shows that when Biden took over and discouraged fracking, increased taxes on oil produced from wells on federal land, and stopped drilling LICENSES on leased federal land, the price of gas started skyrocketing. Libs will blame the price of gas on anything but Biden, from sunspots to GoreBull Warming... but as the chart clearly shows... it was Biden that has given us $6 gas.
     
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    In my day one paid $5.50, the other $14.50.
    Min wage now is $15/hr dont give my that garbage. $15x2x6/hr=$180 a day. Who the F cant make that work?
    Plenty of candidates are NOT available, hence the statistic.
    If you live in a red state though and are still having troubles..Well sounds like you voted to remain poor?
    Remember. Nothings worse then voting Democrat, except not being wealthy and voting Republican.
     
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    You and I have little in common. You were a single dad working low wage jobs and going to school. I never experienced that. I had the common sense to know that one got established in life, completed school, oneself in a job, before making babies you couldn't afford. I am not poor, and its apparently because I made better decisions than you. I worked hard in grammar and high school. Went to college, became an Army Officer, and retired as an LTC. Along the way I earned an MBA and had an exciting time. I've had three children and own a nice home. My firstborn is a Cornell grad, a partner in a NYC law firm and my twins are still in college headed for great careers.
    So many men today can't keep it in their pants until they are established professionally and can afford a family, home and a nice living. Its not a matter of politics. Its a matter of working hard and becoming personally responsible for your own success or failure.... or whining about how tough life is and living off government checks
     
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    Sounds like you have every reason to vote republican.
    Its not always about keeping it in ones pants. Everything was planned out, and going straight. Sometimes a woman just changes her mind. My son would have been aborted if not for me, obviously she didnt like me having her keep it, so once he was born, she was out.
    Our lives were headed that way till that lil twist, but not everything goes as planned does it? Fortunately, thanx to hand ups we're now caught up.

    Parents my generation that planned straight, are having more problems then I had. Between virtual only daycare, Covid crap in elementary school, not being allowed to let your kids play outside alone or have the cops called on you, transgender studies, etc.
    Im glad everything turned out the way it did. Cause If had waited till now to have him...whole another story. Seems your kids are my generation..how are the grandkids doing then or they smart enough to keep it in their pants forever? Daycare waiting list is only getting worse.
     
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    If having a child as a teenager without graduating college or getting a certification as a plumber, electrician, etc is your idea of "planning" then we we have no more to talk about. Putting yourself in a position of having a child as a single parent or aborting it clearly demonstrates that you don't have the proper decision skills to be an adult without whining about how others made you a victim. I am sorry that you live in such a bad neighborhood that your kids cannot play outside. But, again, that was your bad decision. I am very sad that your life revolves around some government daycare. My mom was a full time mom that took care of us (my sister and I) 24/7. My SUPERWIFE (lawyer/CPA) worked out of our home and took care of our kids when I was not there. Both kids are both about to graduate from college now. I really do feel sad that you planned so poorly. You and your child have my sympathy for your failed planning.
     
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    SIAP. You can't be serious in claiming the government of Ukraine is a democracy.:roflol:
     
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    People in the US will go to the polls and vote against the guy(s) who're ****ing them only if there is no propaganda and censorship. Too bad there's been all kinds of propaganda and censorship in the US of late.:roll:
     
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    Why did gas go up over a dollar per gallon before the Ukraine war?
     
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    Well it's important for the base to show up the thing that wins elections is whether or not the opponents base shows up.

    So if by then or Kamala run in 2024 I think it's the end of them.
     
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    The point of democracy is to have a well-informed public voting in elections.:roll:

    EDIT: Now, the one American agency (the mainstream media) given all kinds of freedoms and all kinds of leeway to help keep the American public informed is failing miserably and purposefully.
     
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    Rofl, you were then one complaining. Nice try, we are good. So what's the excuse was the original question before you went off on a judgey tangent.
    There are 2 jobs for every applicant. It's your claim that people are starving remember.
     
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    Speculators, Trump promised to increase the price of crude remember?
     
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    I don't know that he made good on any such promise. You get my deflection of the week award.
     
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