70,000 Self-Employed Truckers in California Face Shutdown

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  1. RodB

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    70,000 Self-Employed Truckers in California Face Shutdown
    https://www.theepochtimes.com/70000...spw27dmp7JFxIv9U+4pGx9jvWonTgsZPeHEKZZ3BWsERW

    Tens of thousands of independent California truck owner-operators could be out of business within the week under a new statewide worker classification law designating them as employees. The state has figured out how to handle an owner operator from out of state who drives into Ca, but I'm sure they are working hard on that to make sure they get 'em. I think this law, passed in 2019 but receiving court approval just now, will like do in Uber and Lyft, et al.

    Proves that to be a successful politician all you need is an ideology; no need to know anything.
     
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    or, they could do what is necessary to get to compliance with the new laws. .
     
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    Why did they need new laws? This is how democrats are going to force the truckers into joining whatever unions the companies have. It will also be a pay cut for many truckers.
     
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    I’m skeptical of the pay cut claim, unions tend to have better pay and benefits.
     
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    Cant wait to hear how Putin is responsible for the incoming supply chain problems this will produce.
     
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    I’m starting to think the states rights crowd isn’t actually sincere in those beliefs
     
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    Oh they never are. LOL
     
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    You can choose to believe that if you want. Critic of a state law isn’t the same as trying to remove the states ability to conduct themselves. But if you wish to incorrectly conflate the 2, that’s on you.
     
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    Glad we’re in agreement that ca has every right to do this.
     
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    Sounds like they were ripping them off before and there is a way to exempt yourself


    Since 2012, the California Labor Commissioner’s Office issued about 500 decisions finding that port trucking companies had misclassified drivers, ordering them to pay over $50 million to these workers.
     
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    Leftists love high price and turn around and blame Putin.
     
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    like quit driving trucks and become a plumber??
     
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    Come now.. There are BILLIONS of new green energy jobs.... In China...
     
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    Not really. It might have been that way in the good old days but not so much in the last few decades. It's why union membership is dropping like a rock to the extent it is allowed. In any case probably all Uber drivers and many if not most owner-operator truck drivers will take a 100% pay cut because that's what goes with losing a job.

    The country is already short about 80,000 drivers and headed toward 150,000 short. Nothing like the good state of CA to pour some salt into the wound. Why stop at slamming electricity, kicking oil, and driving industry out when they can throw the supply chain on the fire, too -- a little icing on the cake.
     
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    No reason any of them should lose a job. They can get exempt from the law if they don’t want the higher pay and benefits that comes with a Union.
     
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    Most states rights people are also heavily in favor of individual rights and liberty, but for murderers and robbers not so much.
     
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    Hi, RodB.

    With regard to the last sentence in the above quote, a successful politician needs only the ability to get elected/re-elected to office. There is, as far as I can determine, no other common denominator. Many, it appears, have degrees in the law, but certainly not all.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n remember the Big 5.
     
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    California, the "workers paradise"... cracking down on entrepreneurs, because they don't pay union dues... Gav loves him some free campaign funds... Seems you must "work for the man" to actually work there....
     
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    There are rules that have to be followed before an actual employee can be classified an independent contractor, albeit often fuzzy and complex rules, and easy to get wrong. I don't have any problem with government enforcing those rules per se, although the main reason for doing so is not to help the worker but to make tax collection easier and more certain. However, this is not what the new CA law is about. It's not tightening up the employee-contractor relationship, it is outlawing many contractor and owner-operator jobs, period. Makes collecting taxes much easier, and it certainly isn't designed to help the worker because forcing him out of his job is never very helpful.
     
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    I'm not aware of any way anyone can be exempted from the aw which says contractors are not permitted, period, in certain industries. Uber would have to upset and completely change its entire business model to make all their contract drivers employees, and they are not about to do that. Neither will most if not all Uber drivers want to be employees. So their job is kaput because Uber is one of the companies where the law applies; there are many others. There are some large trucking firms that have both employee drivers and owner-operator drivers and would have little problem converting the owner-operators to employees (though the drivers might have a problem with it; many greatly prefer being an owner-operator). However a great many owner-operators do not haul exclusively for a single firm, but drive independently picking up loads from many different places and sources and getting paid by the load. They are completely screwed.
     
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    Why should they have to? The owner/operator system has been in place for decades. The owner/operators should be able to make the decision to participate in it, without the government sticking it's nose into it.
     
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    In Arkansas the state made us prove our trade ability and made us become licensed contractors and the world continued. It had nothing to do with being a Democrat or Republican.
     
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    Maybe the AMA and APA should consider a new condition called "I don't like that the rules apply to me and want to blame somebody us for my unwillingness to act like a adult" Syndrome.
     
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    They shouldn't be forced to join a union.
     
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    LOL! Do you think?

    They only like it when they like results.
     
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