8 Dead one wounded at 3 Asian Spas in Atlanta area suspect arrested.

What the hell has Trump said against asians?

 

Anger?

 

That's what this whole thread is about. It's not a coincidence that Trump incorrectly refers to Covid 19 as "the China Virus". And that he was warned very early on to not incite xenophobia among his cult (forum rules compel me to clarify that I am not necessarily referring to anybody in this forum)

 

So I did a little web searching, and found out that there are sites where people review massage establishments, specifically related to "happy endings" .

These establishments have many pages of reviews, and, um.... yeah.

Happy endings and more, galore.

 

TRUMP is what this whole thread is about? So it's not about the Atlanta shooting?

You mean just like the media were referring to it as the "Wuhan virus?"

 

10 more dead from a mass shooting in Boulder. I wonder, how many dead Americans per year would it take before gun owners considered voluntarily turning in their guns? Is there a number? About 1.4 million people have died from firearms (including suicides) in the U.S. between 1968 and 2011. Obviously that's not high enough. Most likely no number is.

 

I will do that right after all the criminals turn in theirs.

By the way. Canada has about the same suicide rate as the US. They just use different methods. So you can omit all those suicides in your statistics.

 

Shootings don’t really matter to most of them. Many of the gun base live in more rural settings and aren’t as effected by mass shooting. It’s more of a big city democratic problem in their eyes. That and the fact that they love their toys, I mean guns. Many of them will just vote based on that one issue. That and immigration were the two things that Trump really clinged to, to keep his base loyal.

 

Their disregard for human life while maintaining a twisted, fatuous interpretation of a measure the Founders included to ensure guns could be possessed by a "well regulated militia" has caused immeasurable suffering. Worse still, they vote to prevent the simplest of measures to help protect the public's safety.

 

Not the whole thread but the whole debate. By which I mean it's what we were debating.

I haven't heard anybody other than Trump and his media calling it that since it was named Covid 19. Certainly not since it has become clear that this would incite xenophobia. Which is what made Trump redouble his efforts to promote that kind of names among his followers.

 

What would that achieve exactly?

Why is suicides relevant? You think that those people wouldn't have killed themselves if they didn't have a gun?

 

Is it NOT in fact more of a big city problem?

 

What exactly made it "clear that this would incite xenophobia?"

 

Yes, it seems to be, but not always. The argument many make is needing one gun policy that is in the best interest of the whole Country. After all we are one Country , or at least are supposed to be. Different people, different views, different priorities, different agendas.......lead to the same problems.......

 

https://www.wiley.com/network/featu...g-of-disease-xenophobia-during-past-pandemics

There were many many articles and comments that express this since the very beginning of the pandemic.

BTW, do you have a reference of the MSM calling it "Wuhan Virus" after it was officially named "Covid 19"?

 

People who so choose to turn in their guns voluntarily, can do so at any time they want.

You do realize that most gun owners are sane, law abiding citizens? That those who commit these acts are usually not sane, and most definitely not law abiding.

 

No no no.... I'm talking about the MSM calling it that after it was given the real name Covid 19. Before that we only knew that it originated in Wuhan, and that it was a Coronavirus variant. So it made sense to refer to it as "the Wuhan Coronavirus". That's NOT the same as calling it Wuhan Virus, or China virus. Like Trump, many of his supporters, and the right wingnut media do. Knowing that that would exacerbate anti-Asian xenophobia. The fact is that xenophobia is the thing that got Trump elected in the first place. So he was appealing to it in the election year. Not bothering with the fact that it was likely to produce ethnic-related violence.

So... that was all you had?

 

Not only did he do it deliberately, he was warned about its impact on larger society and continued to do it.

 

A reduction in gun violence, or do you see deaths and non-deadly shootings as collateral damage to the desire to possess a lethal weapon?

"Why is suicides relevant?"

I included suicides for the sake of factual accuracy.

 

What evidence do you have that gun owners voluntarily turning in their guns would result in a reduction in gun violence?

So you recognise that suicides is irrelevant to gun control?

 

Irrelevant. They still called it "Wuhan coronavirus" against the WHO's 2015 guidance against using geographical locations, animal species, or groups of people in disease and virus names. There's no reason why they couldn't have referred to it as the virus in Wuhan.

Exactly! It originated in Wuhan which is why there is nothing wrong with referring to it as "Wuhan virus."It was even MORE justified after the human waste inside the Chinese Communist Party promoted the conspiracy theory that it started in the US!

And STILL makes sense if someone does choose to use it. It's just not the TECHNICAL name. I personally don't use it.

Calling it Wuhan Virus is different to calling it Wuhan corona-Virus? Surely you can't be serious! Just because of the addition of "corona?" And even if the media DID refer to it as the "Wuhan Virus", you would still defend their usage of it prior to the official naming of the virus, right? In which case, your distinction is totally and utterly irrelevant!

"Wuhan" is not a nationality or a race. "China" is not a nationality or a race. So therefore it cannot be racist or xenophobic! CHINESE virus? I'd be against that. That would be xenophobic. ASIAN virus? I'd be against that. That would be racist.

ZERO evidence for this!

ZERO evidence that it was likely to produce ethnic-related violence.

Other than all of the above, which you probably won't be able to reply to!

 

Well wouldn't the idea be that there shouldn't be one single gun policy which applies to the entire country?

 

If you are referring to my request for references, it's the only thing that is relevant. But this response answers my request: you don't have any. Thanks anyway.