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Roughly, 85% of our nation occupies 15% of our country

As it is, the majority of the individuals that comprise our nation pay a premium to live, often literally, stacked atop of one another.

To the best of my recollection, Trump won the popular vote in 1083 counties. Clinton won the popular vote in 57 counties, and Clinton won the overall popular vote.

I like it the way it is. I don't want anything to happen that might cause that 85% of our nation to diffuse and leach into our part of the country. I don't want their ideas metastasizing and doing here what they did there.

Of course, our demographic distribution is quite normal. Over 80% of the world's population lives within 100km of a coast. That represents less than 10% of dry land.

Individuals living in dense populations often have more material goods about themselves, however they sacrifice time and space. Time and space are at a premium in places like California and New York, indeed along both seaboards. I hope that whatever compels those people to live all packed together like that continues to keep them there. The electoral college will protect us from their numbers, and we will continue have the time and the space to live our lives our way in our part of the country. By all means, please, just fly over.

 

The rural minority likes rural minority rule. I am shocked, I have to say, shocked....

As to importing city life into rural areas: I am sure you refuse to use a cell phone, which you wouldn't have if it wasn't for tech centers, or prescription meds etc. If the rural areas of the country were left to their own devices, they'd still live like they did in Appalachia 200 years ago: Hard physical labor to scrape by, with a bad harvest bringing the threat of starvation.

You know what, maybe city slickers should take their bailout tax-payer's money for the farmers affected by the flood and go home, if all the rural folk have is to hate on the cities.

 

You like the tail to wag the dog??Most people would rather have the location of the brain in control!!!The head not the ass.

 

Well if you don't want the ass in control, don't vote,

 

I prefer to vote for the one who I think uses their head, not their fat orange ass.

 

Great points. I like all of that stuff. I like the way it is. I like our 85/15 split. Go tech centers! Go Pharma! Stay there!

 

I like the way it is. I'd be the very last person to try to talk you out of your opinion. Meanwhile, our opinions will be enforced by the electoral college.

 

It's going to gt more concentrated than that.

90% of the growth in high tech jobs is coming from FIVE cities - Boston, San Francisco bay area, San Jose, San Diego and Seattle.

https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/12/9/21000162/high-tech-job-growth-concentration-brookings

Innovation jobs is a category that is similarly (but not quite so dramatically) concentrated in the larger metro areas.

These are the good paying jobs in America. And, they are the jobs that create other jobs that supply the needs of a well educated and well paid demographic.

Look at the chart in the link that shows the areas of the large red dots - locations where high tech is moving away. Texas, Florica, Chicago, Witchita, Phoenix - even the North Carolina area that worked to lure high tech is seeing departures and concentration.

In manufacuring, industry was encouraged to spread out in order to take advantage of resources, low income work force, etc.

That's not true for high tech and innovation, where concentration is an asset and higher education is a requirement.

These high paying jobs are not coming to a city near you, unless there is seroius work to cause that.

 

This guy knows what he's talking about. You all should go there. Of course you will have to pay much, much more for so, so much less, but it will all be worth it. After you will be one of the "well educated and well paid". The fact that you'll never own a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of doesn't really matter. Who needs things like land or time to enjoy life anyway? City life, that's what you want! The sounds, the sights, the people, awe yes, the city. Go there!

 

Making $100,000 a year living in your car sounds enjoyable

 

You need to remember how capitalism works. Prices are higher on the coasts, because people want to live there.

Also, let's remember that we need America to be competitive. That's not going to come from lots of manufacturig jobs. If manufacturing contributes, it will be through automation - which will require high tech. Look what happened at the economic recovery after the Bush crash. Manufacturing recovered to previous levels in very short order. BUT, they did it without nearl as many employees. So, unemployment continued as serious issue even as production was breaking records.

As the article points out, high tech/innovation will continue to be where we already see significant growth and will become more concentrated as it leaves Chicago, etc. The growth will come from FEWER cities, not more.

And, as Texas concentrates, it WILL be blue. The major cities are already blue.

 

Well I prefer someone who actually thinks rather than merely feels which let's out all those asses

 

Great. That's wonderful. As you describe it, it is unlikely that the 15% will have to share their 85% with the 85% that now has 15%. I like that. I like that a lot. I hope that 85% agree with you and go/stay there.

 

Those doing that are often trying to get a start out of school.

So, they are saving up for a house downpayment or they are trying to get massive school dept paid down.

I was at a company once where there were high tech guys out of school who used the showers and food service at work and if they had an appartment, they didn't really go there. And, that was really more of a life choice.

Today, various high tech companies are making it easier and easier to find basic living accommodations, complete with bowling alleys, theaters and other entertainment.

Competition for high tech workers demands that kind of awareness. Work has to be a really great place to be.

 

"Basic living accommodations", wow fancy. You all should listen to planstoreadsomethingsomeday. City life is where it's at. Go there!

 

Well, what we noticed in 2016 is that the economy is changing in ways that leave people behind.

That was a serious issue. And, those people were not saying that they hoped people would go away. They wanted to hear about how they could compete in an economy that is changing faster and faster.

And, telling people to go somewhere else where there are good jobs is not a solution - especially when they don't have the education or skills that are in demand and where the cost of living is high.

 

Which economy in history did not "leave people behind"? Is that back when the shepherds had to move to better pasture and rather than leave the lame shepherd behind they carried him? What economy are you referring to? Are you suggesting that we should only progress as far as can carry those who would otherwise fall behind?

 

We're coming for you. I have one of those relatively high paying tech jobs and I live in a small town in South Carolina. Telecommuting is the way of the future. As an aside, if you're living in a rural area with a traditionally rural type of employment and have more "time to enjoy life" than I do then I think you may be in the minority. I come from generations of farmers on one side and ranchers on the other, and time wasn't a commodity of which they had an abundant supply.

 

We all have the same supply of time each day, I just don't spend mine waiting in traffic, on trains, for elevators, etc. I don't spend even an hour a week waiting for others to pass by. More of my time is mine. The two things that city people sacrifice are time and space. I'm not saying that they get less of it; I'm saying that they sacrifice more of it to simply wait for others to pass by.

 

Hey - I live in Seattle, about a mile from downtown. I used to live on 100 acres about 15 miles outside Seattle, but we moved in when the kids moved out.

This is an amazing place to live. You do NOT have to convince me to like it here! There are lots of reasons people live on the coasts.

 

Who are you responding to? The liberal above your post (number 2?)? Makes sense. I would agree with you

 

So you prefer to be a leech on society?

 

People are different. Some people want extreme security and others want extreme freedom. They are not inherently evil or good, smart or ignorant because of those choices. We have lived in eleven different homes in the fifty-nine years we have been married. In the last four homes,, we have moved progressively further from town. We enjoy the freedom and would not even consider living in a gated community or an apartment house. We have our own woods to walk in. We build and change to suit ourselves. Not because of a set of rules set up by someone else.. Building permits are not required. We mow or do not mow our lawn, cut down trees or plant trees as we prefer. We have come to recognize individual wild animals. For us, our lives are as close to ideal as you can get.

 

It's a symbiotic relationship, so this idea of doing without technology is like telling city people they need to do without food.

I think the hatred comes from the fact that city folk keep wanting more and more government that simply isn't necessary in the country. A good example is the Belch family outhouse. In the city, if your neighbor digs a hole and puts an outhouse over it, that might be a bit problematic. If my neighbor does the same thing, it's not a problem at all. So the state passed a law that made my outhouse illegal.

So now I hear that taking a dump on a city sidewalk is allowed by police because homeless people need to relieve themselves. Yet my outhouse is still illegal. A cop could literally drive past some guy pinching a loaf in front of his house while on his way to tell me that I've broken a law for doing the same thing, but on my own land.

 

Damn, your post are becoming very informative! I personally am learning from many of them!

Well done man, PF needs more like you, ON BOTH ends of the spectrum!!!!