89% Vaccinated, Cases Surging

In the unvaccinated

 

That false sense of security that politicians who are promoting the vaccine are dispensing is not for the benefit of your fellow man.

You've protected, maybe, yourself. That's all.

 

Who on the left on this forum has "refused to admit that the vaccinated also can spread the virus"?

Oh, and the unvaccinated spread the virus at a higher rate than the vaccinated
Now perhaps you can address the deaths from covid for the vaccinated and unvaccinated?

 

Anecdotal. How does that compare to the Connecticut nursing home where 87 out of 89 fully vaccinated tested positive for the virus? How does that compare to 74% of a group of fully vaccinated in Massachusetts tested positive for the virus? How does that compare to Iceland where they have an 89% vaccination rate and yet cases are surging and the US has issued a warning not to travel there? I also believe the unvaccinated should not be discriminated against or forced to be vaccinated or lose their jobs.

 

But if you aren't sneezing and hacking it makes it very unlikely. Use some common sense.....and the "science".

 

How many of those died?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...id-outbreak-connecticut-nursing-home-rcna5696

8 just eight died - and this is among a population known for comorbidities and immunosuppression. Why do you think scabies spreads in nursing homes? Why do you think the flu devastates nursing homes?

Confined area usually crappy ventilation = high viral load

I have to ask - why so determined to try and prove vaccines are “ineffective”?

 

What? Cases are surging in the most highly vaccinated country on the planet and it is NOT just the unvaccinated. And, I posted that the CDC itself now acknowledges that the vaccines do nothing to stop the spread of Delta.

https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-shifts-pandemic-goals-away-130028307.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

Vaccines have been quite effective at preventing cases of COVID-19 that lead to severe illness and death, but none has proved reliable at blocking transmission of the virus, Jones noted. The result is that even if vaccination were universal, the coronavirus would probably continue to spread.

Why do you refuse to follow the science and listen to the experts?

 

Ummmmmmmmmm, just about everyone, everywhere. Biden and the left still have vaccine mandates and refuse to let the unvaccinated into places. Why? If the vaccinated spread the virus just as much as the unvaccinated do, then we don't need vaccine mandates, we don't need vaccine passports to enter places, and we don't need to fire people from their jobs because the vaccinated spread the virus, not just the unvaccinated. There is not point to vaccine mandates or vaccine passports to enter places because the vaccinated spread the virus.

 

So, you're changing the subject because you lost the debate? Are you now admitting that the vaccinated spread the virus? Are you now admitting that vaccine mandates are unnecessary because the vaccinated spread the virus? Are you now admitting that vaccine passports to enter places are unnecessary because the vaccinated spread the virus? Are you now admitting that unvaccinated people shouldn't be fired from their jobs because the vaccinated also spread the virus?

 

89% is not 100% and I am betting the children are still not vaccinated

But here is a link that might help you understand
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11...of-covid-19-infections-and-vaccines/100560436

 

Well stated. What these science deniers don't state, because they're cherry-picking and using their typical illogic, is that the Vax works by saving lives even if high risk people are infected.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...f-that-vaccines-are-ineffective-idUSL1N2P918F

 

No I said what I said. Viral load was probably high. The elderly - especially nursing home patients often have a poor immune response - that means the vaccines does not work as well for them - but it HAS reduced the death rate

we watched the effect in NSW and Victoria - both states - as the vaccine rate went up the number of Covid cases went down

 

You offer a hypothetical, nothing more, and expect to be taken seriously.

ALL highly inoculated populations around the world are experiencing the same thing, including Australia and Gibraltar. Gibraltar has now cancelled Christmas because of it.

Greater rates of injection lead to greater rates of infection, just as so many whistleblowing experts have predicted.

The Emperor Wears No Clothes.

 

Vaccines are only a part of the fix. They are not magic. People still need to do the other things. I will be skipping a funeral home visitation tonight I normally would go to because I know my jabs don't make me bullet proof and there will be a lot of people at the visitation who are not vaccinated. I will just attend the graveside service tomorrow to pay my respects....and stand upwind with me me mask on.

 

When, approximately, do you expect this to occur?

Mask mandates are not normal.
Social distancing is not normal.
Plexiglass barriers in grocery store lanes are not normal.
Vaccine mandates are not normal.
Vaccine passports are not normal.
Lockdowns are not normal.
Not allowing people to work for a widespread number of employers unless they get a vaccine is not normal.
Mandating a vaccine to participate in numerous facets of society is not normal.
Jabbing people three times (plus an unknown number of future "boosters") with a vaccine made for "alpha COVID" to "protect" them from "delta COVID" is not normal.

When, approximately, do you expect governments to take all of these things away (and life to return to the way that it was pre-2020) via the citizenry's compliance with all such government COVID-related dictates??

You cannot comply your way out of tyranny, dude.

 

I posted a link that might help you understand from the CDC itself. You refuse to follow the science and listen to the experts.

 

Then why does the CDC say that they have NO records of any person with recovered immunity ever transmitting COVID??

 

Why are you a science denier? Why do you refuse to follow the science and listen to the experts? The following is from the CDC. The CDC!

https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-shifts-pandemic-goals-away-130028307.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

Vaccines have been quite effective at preventing cases of COVID-19 that lead to severe illness and death, but none has proved reliable at blocking transmission of the virus, The result is that even if vaccination were universal, the coronavirus would probably continue to spread.

This backs up exactly what happened in Massachusetts where 74% of a group of fully vaccinated tested positive for the virus. This backs up exactly what happened in the nursing home in Connecticut where 87 out of 89 fully vaccinated people tested positive for the virus. This backs up why, in one of the most highly vaccinated places on the planet in Iceland (at a 89% vaccination rate) is experiencing surges and is on the list of places the US recently said Americans should not visit.

Why do you continue denying the science when even the CDC acknowledges that the vaccines do nothing to stop the spread?

 

Given all of this, then I must ask you... WHY ARE YOU SO DAMN AFRAID OF COVID (and think that such authoritarian and tyrannical "safety measures" are required because of it)??

If only 8/89 (~9%) of those people died WITH COVID (NOT FROM COVID), and we're, by your own admission, talking about one of the most vulnerable groups of people (due to being in confined areas with crappy ventilation), then why are you so afraid of COVID, completely changing your life because of it, supporting government authoritarianism and tyranny because of it, living your life in fear because of it, when it hardly kills anyone even within (per your admission) a very bad environment with regard to disease??

By your own admission, COVID is all but a complete non-issue, yet you still treat it as if it were the black plague...

 

What good is vaccinating children going to do when vaccinated people are still spreading and coming down with the virus all the same??

 

What is 'recovered' immunity?

 

How do you know that the vax is saving lives??

I could just as easily claim that street lights are keeping elephants out of cities... the non-presence of elephants in cities is proof that the street lights are "working"...

 

179 new infections, and total deaths over 2 years is 34.....

So, yea.....they are lucky to have been so untouched, and the high vaccination rate means the newly infected most likely wont get sick.

It does not sound like they have a problem. I think you picked the wrong country to push your agenda.

What do you mean "the left"? Its common knowledge they can spread it, but the vaccination minimizes your chances of getting sick from it.

 

The vaccinated dying are the same demographic as the unvaccinated.

 

... and it was wrong...

How do you know this??

There is no way to go back in time, unvax these people, and replay the same scenario with only changing the vaccination status of those individuals... There is no "would have been" in science.

We also watched the effect in Uttar Pradesh -- a State -- as the ivermectin rate went up the number of Covid cases went down... They have very low vaccination rates there btw.