9/11 No Longer Matters

Distraction! ROFL

You haven't said which video said anything about rotation.

psik

 

Believing the top of the north tower could fall and destroy everything below in less than 18 seconds is equally idiotic.

Explain why then......after all your toy doesn't accurately represent the way skyscrapers are either designed or built.

 

Any one who thinks that some paper loops, washers, and a dowel is an accurate representation of the collapse potential of a 110 story office building is an idiot.

 

This statement has my vote for the understatement of the century!

 

What part of my argument depends on a video saying something about rotation? No part. Rotation is part of the definition of a pinned connection. If your doubt me just look at the link I provided you that details each type, or look it up for yourself.

I just thought it was important to point out that your issue with the word "pinned" stemmed from both your lack of knowledge on the subject and your attempt to avoid answering the main point of the post (101) that used the word pinned. The main point wasn't that your dowel was a pin. The main point was that your dowel prevents buckling. You completely ignored the issue that arises from the fact that columns that are buckled by a given load are weaker (ie offer less resistance after failure) than columns that are crushed by a similar load.

 

Exactly, this rotation business is just bullsh# you brought up and people are supposed to believe you because YOU say so.

psik

 

People can look up everything I said. The definition of a pinned connection is no great secret. I notice you avoided the subject of my post yet again.

 

It's a rare treat when someone gets dominated this bad on the net. Thank you for participating psikey, it couldn't have happened without you. Also, don't forget to pull your pants up on the way out.

 

You said this:

You provided videos explaining pinning. So you show where a video discusses rotation in pinning. A column in the WTC was wider than my entire model. There are no forces involved to rotate my paper loops. Just because they could rotate if such a force could be properly applied is of no importance. You are just coming up with BS to blather about.

psik

 

There are no forces to rotate your model? Really? Aren't you the one who said you couldn't stack more than 20 without it tipping over? Guess what tipping over equals. You guessed it! ROTATION! OMG! What does the dowel do? PREVENTS ROTATION! How? BY PINNING THE WASHERS!

My God, I think we've had a breakthrough here!

 

Which video(s) are you talking about? The purpose of the video I posted was to explain buckling. In that video a column is pinned in the middle and the change to the behavior of the complete structure is noted. This connection in the video, as I pointed out to you, is a pinned connection. Lateral movement is restricted, but rotation is allowed. I used that as a visual example of what a pinned connection is. Other pinned connection examples would be a door hinge, the fulcrum in a see saw, the axle in your vehicle, or exactly as in your model:



a receipt spike.

All this talk about pinning came as a result of your attempts to distract. I didn't start this, you went off on a tangent when I pointed out that your columns could not buckle because they were pinned. I had to explain to you what a pinned connection was because you started claiming that your columns were not pinned. I have proven, using your own words, that your dowel is a pin, and your columns are pinned by it. You stated that the dowel prevents your columns from tipping over, and that they could rotate around the dowel if a force was applied to them. Thus, the dowel restricts lateral translation, and allows for rotation. Rotation is not required for a connection type to be a pin. The connection type does not cause rotation. The connection type only allows rotation.

I think I've sufficiently defined pinned connections. At this point I don't think there's any other conclusion that anyone could draw but that you're the one intentionally (to use your word) blathering in order to avoid confronting my point about your model. Your columns can not buckle. They can only crush. The columns in the WTC did buckle. Thus you have created a false model.

 

Your brilliance abounds. You need to change context to convince yourself you are smart.

Hi is talking about the paper loops rotating AROUND THE DOWEL. You are calling the tilting rotation when that could only rotate 90 degrees to hit the floor. Pat yourself on the back for being such a genius.

psik

 

I dug back through the thread to find out what model this was supposed to be. Why, why, why did I do it?

And then there was this:

My brain wants to flee. I'm inclined to join it.

 

Learning physics by watching youtube vids:

This is the outcome.

Enjoy everyone.

 

There is a YouTube channel with his name on it if you are still interested.

 

nooooo! Make it stop!!!

 

Fangbeer, that was mean and totally uncalled for!

 

The statute of limitations on murder never expires. 9/11 is still important, at least on this account.

There is a great deal of circumstantial evidence that indicates that Arabs weren't the only ones conspiring prior to 9/11. One has to be ignorant, dishonest, or at least very naive to deny it.

The changes that have taken place in the US as a result of 9/11 are being felt now more than ever. Before anything can be done to prevent the US from collapsing as a sovereign nation, the people who are doing the most to bring about it's demise must be identified.

Identify those who planted the incendiaries and explosives and you will uncover those who are plotting the overthrow of the Constitutional government of the US.

 

First someone needs to prove that incendiaries and explosives were planted.

It's been 11 years. Still waiting . . .

 

You need more than circumstantial evidence to move forward. The "circumstantial evidence" was investigated and found severely lacking when it comes to indicating anyone else was involved.

So who are you saying was involved?

Except there is ZERO evidence of incendiaries or explosives. So, by your own logic, there were no people plotting to overthrow the constitutional government of the US. The people trying to overthrow the constitutional government of the US would be the truthers with their lies trying to incite revolution.

 

The evidence is there. Deny it all you want.

As far as that goes, no one has ever proven that 19 Arabs with box cutters hijacked the planes and flew them into the buildings or died in the crash. Some of those who were accused were found to be alive. But you know that, don't you?

There has also been no trial. In the old US, people used to be innocent until proven guilty. I guess in the New World Order, the moneyed people who control the media and judicial system decide that now.

They also were the ones who decided that we should go to war with Iraq over the WMDs. Where's the proof there ever were any? I haven't seen it.

Did you guys ever prove that Bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11? I don't think so.

There was no proof that he was even alive at the time the Seal Team was supposed to have killed him. You know; the seal team that was all on the same helicopter that mysteriously crashed and killed them all? Don't bother showing me the media schpiel. I've seen it and I don't buy it.

There would have been no question about it if Bin Laden's body was produced. But it wasn't, was it?
Or did you see it? I guess we'll just have to take some lackey's word for it won't we?
Whatever happened, it's certain he'll never stand trial. That means he can never testify one way or the other. How convenient. Considering the number of "conspiracy nuts" there were in the country at that time, you'd think the geniuses in the US intelligence would want to belay any more suspicion. But that idea never crossed their minds. (That's what they said wasn't it? But they'd never lie to you or me would they?)

No wonder, they're the same bunch that allowed 9/11 to happen in the first place. That's because Condesleeza Rice and W. Bush never dreamed anything like that could ever happen. So why should the CIA and all those dudes in the military that got promoted for allowing it?

I still can't figure that one out: why the whole fiasco was chalked up to "Intelligence" stupidity, but the only people who got ran through bureaucratic grinder were the ones who were raising red flags about it beforehand and who had the temerity to say so after the fact. Was it really people in the US military or intelligence who were the dummies, or is it the US public for swallowing all the media crap they were fed?

At this point you couldn't even torture a confession out of him. Too bad. Another missed opportunity.

But I suppose you have complete faith in the establishment don't you? They've never lied or misled us about anything have they? They're like a certain class of people who are incapable of lying. It's genetically impossible. It's as if they were divinely programmed to be incapable of sinning. Wouldn't that be wonderful if we all were?


Come to think of it, there are a tremendous amount of things which aren't exactly "proven" which hardly anyone questions, including yourself. So what makes you want to keep other people from seeing all the information that I have seen which convinces me?

I've seen enough already. The thing that makes me wonder about you guys, is if you really thought there was nothing to find, or that no one had anything to hide, then why do you get your panties in a wad every time someone brings the subject up.

If you can prove that everything happened according to the Kosher approved version. then why don't you prove that?

I can answer both of those questions for you if you can't.

 

Please cite said evidence.

I believe it is you who have your "panties in a bunch".

I imagine that comes from spouting the same old truther nonsense and lies that have been debunked countless times and not having anyone believe you.

 

Then present it. Real evidence, mind you, not opinion.

I see you went so far as to read truther sites, but couldn't bother to find out if they had actually been lying to you. Were there reports of hijackers being alive? Yes. Because the FBI released the NAMES of the hijackers before they released the PICTURES of the hijackers. Once the pictures didn't match up, it was obvious they were not the same people. It is also why you will never see a credible claim past 9/26/01.

Wrong yet again. Moussaoui, an Al Qaeda member, was sentenced to life in prison for his role in 9/11.

What does that have to do with 9/11? Clinton also signed legislation making the overthrow of the Iraqi regime a top priority.

You mean besides his numerous confessions, the confessions of other members of Al Qaeda, and material captured from their camps?

Typical truther. They don't want to believe anything so they just pretend there is no proof.

So all his wives are lying as well? How, exactly, did we get their cooperation? Also the rest of Al Qaeda backs up the claims that Osama was killed in the raid.

No, we just go off the evidence instead of relying so heavily on paranoid delusions.

Yet KSM, an Al Qaeda member more involved than Osama is due to stand trial here soon. Another glaring flaw in your rant.

Right. So the government was competent enough to fool everyone but conspiratards who, according to you, would only be convinced by Osama telling you? You would just claim it is a fake Osama. You have excuses for everything.

Prove they knew about it beforehand.

That and everything else apparently.

Naw, the real bad guys are the truthers for spreading lies and trying to overthrow the government based on those lies.

We have lots more. BTW, he already freely confessed numerous times and not due to torture. Why do you ignore those?

Nope. That is yet another truther lie. We believe in the truth, not the establishment.

More truther bull(*)(*)(*)(*). I've yet to see anyone but a truther make these kinds of claims. Why? Because they have nothing.

Because nothing will convince you. DUH!

Oh, I dunno.... could it be the fact truther scum lie their asses off to try and get other people on board to overthrow the government?

We have. You can't refute the evidence, so you pretend it doesn't exist.

I already did.

 

But it doesn't change any of the facts!

Better than playing with sticky tape and dowels, as the fact of the matter is questions need to be asked, but this time..... answered!

Those found guilty of any crime, answerable for there actions in a court of law and a jury of there peers.

Unlike the question answer session by Bush and the other reprobate which was in secret and not under oath!

Regards
Highlander

 

I'm not going to waste my time with the likes of you. I've been through this time and again. It's always the same.

What I will do is post a few links here for the benefit of others who haven't seen them.

You will then try to bury them and I in turn will post them again.

Let's just be blunt. You and I are on opposite sides of the fence. You are a proponent of Zionist hegemony and I am not.
That's what this all boils down to.

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