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    Here we go again:

    Citizens’ Rights Denied by N.Y. U.S. District Court- Appeal Filed

    EIGHT CO-PLAINTIFFS CONTEST RULING DENYING CITIZENS RIGHT TO GIVE EVIDENCE OF CONTROLLED DEMOLITION AND EXPLOSIVES USED TO DESTROY THE WORLD TRADE CENTER TOWERS TO A GRAND JURY

    Dear Friends:

    Lawyers’ Committee Litigation Director Mick Harrison recently filed, on behalf of eight co-plaintiffs an Appeal Brief in the United States Court of Appeal for the Second Circuit concerning the dismissal by Judge Paul G. Gardephe of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District in Manhattan of Plaintiffs’ complaint on Article III standing grounds. The complaint seeks to compel the United States Attorney for the Southern District to present to a Grand Jury evidence of controlled demolitions and explosives used to destroy the World Trade Center Towers.

    “Standing” is the legal right for a particular person or organization to bring a claim in court. A plaintiff must establish that they meet the legal criteria for standing. This generally involves demonstrating an injury and a direct connection of that injury to the defendants’ actions..

    The co-plaintiffs are: Robert McIlvaine who lost his son, Diana Hetzel who lost her husband, a fire fighter, Jeanne Evans who lost her brother, a firefighter, Michael O’ Kelly, a NYC Hazmat fire chief who lost his health and has permanent lung damage from working on the Ground Zero piles, Former Fire Commissioner, Nassau County Christopher Gioia who also worked on the piles and lost close friends who were fire fighters, Richard Gage, President and Founder of Architects & Engineers, and two non profit corporations whose missions are dedicated to 9/11transparency, The Lawyers Committee for 9/11 Inquiry and Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth…MORE

    The Plaintiffs made four claims. One claim (Count II) against the United States Attorney General and the United States Attorney for the Southern District concerns their violation of Plaintiff’s rights to Petition the Government under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution by refusing to present Plaintiff’s Petition to a Federal Special Grand Jury. Their obstruction created an injury in fact and an invasion of the Plaintiffs legally protected interest, the right to Petition the Government.

    The Plaintiffs also state claims(Counts III and IV) under the federal mandamus statute and the Administrative Procedures Act which both seek to compel the United States Attorney to comply with the mandatory duty pursuant to 18 USC 3332(a) to submit evidence of federal crimes, in this case dispositive of controlled demolition and explosives used to destroy the World Trade Center Towers to a Federal Grand Jury.

    Thank you.

    David R. Meiswinkle, Esq.
    President/Executive Director
    Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry

    Mick Harrison, Attorney at Law
    Litigation Director
    Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry


    https://www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11...enied-by-n-y-u-s-district-court-appeal-filed/
     
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    An FBI whistleblower explains how the FBI conducts coverups and continues to do so 24/7.

    FBI Whistleblower Dr. Fred Whitehurst on Exhibits and Evidence of Controlled Demolition

     
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    9/11 families and AE911Truth file amended complaint in NIST lawsuit

    AE911Truth and our co-plaintiffs filed an amended complaint yesterday in our ongoing lawsuit against NIST over its response to the “request for correction” we submitted in 2020 aiming to compel the agency to overhaul its final report on the destruction of World Trade Center Building 7.

    We have amended the original complaint, filed in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia on September 7, 2021, in order to strengthen it against challenges NIST made in its motion to dismiss, which was filed on December 23, 2021.

    The amended complaint includes three new declarations (i.e., affidavits) — one from AE911Truth CEO Roland Angle, one from 9/11 family member Bob McIlvaine, and one from structural engineer Ronald Brookman — intended to help establish that all three categories of plaintiffs have legal standing to bring the case.

    NIST will now have the opportunity to revise its motion to dismiss by early March. We will then have until roughly the end of March to file our opposition. If we defeat the motion to dismiss, NIST will then have to defend the substance of its decision on the request for correction in federal court.

    For more on the case, we invite you to watch Ted Walter and Mick Harrison’s news update with Andy Steele. You can also read the complaint, the declarations, and all documents related to the request for correction at the links below.


    https://www.ae911truth.org/news/813...1truth-file-amended-complaint-in-nist-lawsuit

    This part of the Amended Complaint especially caught my attention:

    22. The WTC 7 Report prepared and publicly released by NIST in 2008 was so technically erroneous and incomplete in its description of the alleged probable collapse sequence, so opaque in regard to its computer modelling (still kept secret), and so misleading from a factual, technical, and engineering standpoint that not only did it not serve the goal of Congress in making such reports public (to inform the public and relevant professions regarding have been the case had NIST issued no report at all.

    23. Had NIST issued no WTC 7 report, AE could have provided the public transparent engineering, architectural, and scientific analyses explaining the technical causes of the WTC 7 building collapse on 9/11 that could have simply been objectively and independently evaluated by the public and other engineers, architects, and scientists. Instead, AE has, in addition, had to expend considerable time and resources to rebut the erroneous and misleading NIST WTC 7 Report, which many in the public assume to be credible because it was issued by a government agency.


    But read the entire document for yourselves. It's a masterful piece that rips NIST's phony WTC7 report to shreds in meticulous detail. To be sure, NIST has no possible way to squirm out of their cesspool if they were forced to challenge the findings of the many experts at AE911Truth and others as well as the actual evidence and the many eyewitness claims. So they can only fight for a Motion to Dismiss for lack of standing, which I'm certain the phony court(s) will grant. Regardless, this document and many others like it can never be erased from the record.
     
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    Earlier this week, the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia dismissed the lawsuit that AE911Truth and eight 9/11 family members brought against NIST over its response to our request for correction of its fraudulent Building 7 report.

    https://www.ae911truth.org/news/861...QRKdPVn42kX1RAOkJl4qRdipKdlkbnf5IeMyroNTaXDC4

    https://www.ae911truth.org/images/P...dum_opinion_on_IQA_case_on_Def_MTD_080222.pdf

    From the judge’s opinion (Page 9):

    Plaintiffs’ theory is that NIST violated the NCST Act not because it failed to release a report, but because the WTC 7 Report was “at best an unscientific sham[ ] and likely fraudulent.” Opp’n at 21. . To assert an informational injury, Plaintiffs must be “deprived of information” required to be disclosed under the Act. Jewell, 828 F.3d at 992. Under its plain terms, the NCST Act requires disclosure only of a report on the technical cause of the collapse, among other things. See 15 U.S.C. § 7307. Plaintiffs admit that NIST complied with that requirement when it released the WTC 7 Report. See Compl. ¶ 89. That admission means that ’ , by the statute. As to the Report itself, then, Plaintiffs fail the first requirement for an informational injury.

    At the first highlighted point, the judge is saying that it’s not enough that the report was an “unscientific sham and likely fraudulent”, Plaintiffs must be "deprived of information”. But if the report was unscientific and a fraud, none of the information is valid and they ARE BEING DEPRIVED OF INFORMATION. Furthermore, Plaintiffs were directly deprived of information when NIST refused to disclose all the data and models used in their "investigation" under FOIA request.

    At the second highlighted point, the judge is saying it doesn’t matter if the report is inaccurate, NIST disclosed all the information required by the statute. But if the report is inaccurate, NIST cannot possibly have disclosed all the information required by any statute since the information is BOGUS. So what the judge is also saying is that NIST could have just said hypothetically "the 3 buildings fell down because we say so" and NIST fulfilled its obligation because they created a report however nonsensical.

    And so the (in)justice system gave NIST a get out of jail free card where they do not have to respond to any of the challenges to their phony report(s), including that these were scientifically fraudulent. It will be appealed but I'm guessing the Appellate Court will just go along with the program and force a Petition for Certiorari to the Supreme Court where the black robed lawyers will just deny the petition without comment. 9/11 will never get its day in a valid court of law despite that it was the worst terrorist attack in the US in modern history.
     
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    always a mistake not to have a jury (if applicable)
    otherwise should be an easy appeal since based on his opinion all the defendants would have to do is 'title' a piece of paper and leave the rest blank and that is nonsense since it is the courts duty to look to the substance and merits of the case, not the title, you could call it a marriage certificate which the judge has a duty to look past and drill down to the merits.

    That is what they do when they dont want it on their shoulders to make the call. BTDTBTTS myself.

    Hate to say it but its SOP legal bullshit they pull in the courts now days to drive costs as high as possible and defer responsibility. Lower courts force appeals for anything they dont want to rule on now days. Im sure the plaintiff attorneys expected it.
     
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    There's no jury until it goes to trial and it doesn't go to trial if the judge dismisses it before it goes to trial. There goes your First Amendment protected right to Redress of Grievance, easy breezy.

    They did. The lower courts almost always side with any government interest and "lack of standing" is almost always their number 1 defense. It's a get out of jail free card that avoids a defense on the merits of the case, avoids discovery, avoids a trial and avoids a jury. Amerika's finest (in)justice system, the best money can buy.
     
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    Usually its not such an obviously bogus ruling. The ruling completely sidestepped the whole purpose of the complaint. Something you would expect to see in a good ole boy muni court. Usually they are a little more slick than that and at least find something within the body of the actual complaint you know.....I wasnt aware this was still in the summary judgment stage..... Did you get on pacer and check? Evidence should already have been submitted? Summary judgment in itself is a (judicial tragedy) of our legal system, anyway... appeal time. Seems like a lifetime since I have done anything in the federal system, is it possible for them to get it heard de novo so they can hone in their briefs?
     
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    When a civil suit is filed, the Defendant almost always tries to get the case dismissed before it goes further so they won't have to defend on the merits. The usual tactics are lack of subject matter jurisdiction, lack of standing, failure to state a case for which relief can be granted, or any other "legal" excuse they can find in the Rules of Civil Procedure (local, state and/or federal depending on venue). So this is the preliminary stage of a typical civil (and even criminal) suit. I guess that's what you mean by the summary judgment stage. My Pacer account expired and I didn't renew it and hopefully I won't be needing it again.

    This is the Request for Correction which incorporates Exhibits (evidence):

    https://files.wtc7report.org/file/public-download/RFC-to-NIST-WTC7-Report-04-15-20.pdf

    They have to wait until the judge officially files an Order of Dismissal. That is usually done without prejudice so the case can be refiled. However, the judge's Order can be appealed, which is where this particular case is headed.
     
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    As this decision demonstrates clearly, the judiciary is as corrupt as the other 2 branches of the federal government. It dovetails nicely with the recent Star Chamber proceeding regarding Jan 6 and the recent judicial action against Alex Jones.

    The moral of the story is that all 3 branches will go to great lengths to have the history books written to sustain false narratives, from JFK and MLK assassinations to TWA 800 and 911 and the numerous false flag mass shootings.
     
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    The Laws of Physics are incapable of giving a damn about the law or humanity. So our problem is the ignorance of generations of children. The mass involved in the Twin Towers dwarfs any other incident.

    I find it really annoying that so many recent science fiction books are written as though the official story is acceptable.

    SF writers can't do science!
     
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    The ignorance of the masses and generations is a natural tendency, and it's been encouraged for many generations. Education isn't about learning things so much as it is about thinking and acting as they want you to.
     
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    Do you have an example of such a science fiction book? For sure the US government and the MSM operate as if the official 9/11 fairy tale is fact. The funny thing is that the engineering and architecture industry do not take NIST's recommendations seriously.
     
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    So far we are in agreement. As to the rest of your post (9/11 being the exception), I'd rather not stray from this topic despite that I disagree with some of what you posted. Let's just leave it at that.
     
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    Freedom by Daniel Suarez

    Spaceship in the Stone by Igor Nikolic

    I cannot recall where I have encountered it all of the times but it must be about a dozen at least. Arab terrorists are a popular plot device now.
     
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    Although there is a reference to 9/11 in that excerpt, it doesn't mention any support to the official 9/11 narrative. In fact it says "perhaps the domestic terrorists in the Midwestern United States were behind the attack". The theory about an "inside job" would point directly to domestic terrorists. To much of the Muslim world (and me), the US government is the most lethal terrorist organization on the planet.

    In that excerpt there is a reference to 9/11 and a "religious fanatic", which is analogous to the stereotypical propaganda about Muslims that the US government tries to indoctrinate their citizenry with. But it doesn't refer to Muslims. It's close but I don't see a direct support for the official 9/11 narrative there either.

    Yes but in science fiction it seems to be more of a rarity unless you have more direct examples that actually support the official 9/11 narrative. Anyway, thanks for the examples.

    Then again the official 9/11 narrative can be considered science fiction since a lot of it is scientifically impossible.
     
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    United States Starship by Christopher Nuttall
     
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    I stopped watching Star Trek Enterprise in the early naughts because their portrayal of an attack on Florida was too much like the emotional atmosphere created by 9/11. I didn't start watching episodes again until years later after the series had ended.
     
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    I watched quite a few episodes of Deep Space Nine, but never cared for Enterprise.
     
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    The following is a 4 hour long 9/11 Symposium that in part outlines the multiple legal initiatives of the Lawyers' Committee for 9/11 Inquiry and their current status. If you're only interested in the legal process, just watch the first 37 minutes.

     
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    The Lawyers’ Committee Files Petition for Writ of Certiorari with the Supreme Court 11-03-22

    THE LAWYERS’ COMMITTEE FOR
    9/11 INQUIRY, INC., et al.,
    Petitioners,
    v.
    MERRICK GARLAND, ATTORNEY GENERAL of
    THE UNITED STATES, et al.,
    Respondents.


    Petitioners' claims:

    A. The United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit Effectively Rescinded the Bill of Rights When, Acting Contrary to the Constitution and in Conflict with Decisions of the Supreme Court, It Held that 9/11 Victim Family Members, 9/11 First Responders, and Two U.S. Non-Profit Organizations Needed to Assert Additional Harm Beyond a Violation of a Constitutional Right to Have Article III Standing to Seek Judicial Remedies

    B. The United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit Acted Contrary to the Constitution and in Conflict with Decisions of the Supreme Court When, for the First Time in the History of the Constitution, it Created a Loophole in the First Amendment Right to Petition, Holding that Federal Grand Juries Are Not Entities of the Federal Government to which the First Amendment Right to Petition Applies

    C. The United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit Not Only Undermined, But Effectively Eliminated, the Constitutional Independence of the Grand Jury When It Refused to Enforce the Mandatory Duty Imposed Explicitly by Congress, and Implicitly by the Constitution, on Every United States Attorney to Relay Citizen Reports of Federal Crimes to a Grand Jury, and Left to the Complete Discretion of the Department of Justice What a Grand Jury Is Allowed to See and Consider

    D. The United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit Created a Clear Split Among the Federal Circuits When It decided to Reject the Ninth Circuit’s Rule that Ministerial Records of a Federal Grand Jury May Be Made Available to the Public


    https://www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11...bf0-lX0Fcr2OGWJN8KeQCB-55wkHXsgmONEVjXsxjAqcY
     
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    As expected, the corrupt SCOTUS (since 1803), made up of 9 unelected politically driven black robed lawyer charlatans decided:

    On January 6th, 2023, the Supreme Court declined to take up the Lawyers’ Committee’s (LC) grand jury case, denying the LC’s Petition for Writ of Certiorari and announcing same on January 9th, 2023. The LC Board is evaluating a number of further legal options for ensuring that our full WTC Grand Jury Petition and evidentiary exhibits are submitted to a special criminal grand jury. Our decision regarding those further legal actions will be posted on our website when made.

    https://www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.org/

    In other words, the (in)justice system in Amerika took yet one more step in eviscerating the First Amendment. The protected right to petition the US government for redress of grievance is protected on paper only. Anyone who ever expected the US government to actually protect the rights of anyone as mandated by Oath of Office and the Constitution is operating in a delusional world.

    I don't know if they declined the Petition with or without comment, I will try to find out.

    What this means unless SCOTUS ever decides otherwise is that the decision to present evidence of any crime to a Grand Jury, regardless of how overwhelming, rests strictly with the US Attorney. Who now has assumed additional powers never granted by the Constitution. This SCOTUS decision affects legal matters far beyond 9/11.
     
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    That's right Bob, and that decision was the same week The Men In Black announced that no citizen had standing to have the court examine the mountains of evidence showing electoral fraud in 2020.

    SCOTUS is as political as the other 2 branches and is concerned only with protecting the status quo. They would not examine the mountains of evidence regarding 911 and 2020.

    Yes, welcome to Amerika.
     
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    While I disagree that there is a mountain of evidence of electoral fraud (unless you mean the criminal conspiracy attempt to replace electors with fake electors), I do agree that all citizens have the protected right under the First Amendment to petition the US government for redress for any alleged criminal act. The "lack of standing" argument is more often than not a phony excuse to prevent plaintiffs from exercising their protected First Amendment right.
     
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    The same courts that quickly offer "lack of standing" also refuse to conduct evidentiary hearings. They don't want the evidence on the record, both in the case of 911 and in the case of 2020 election. It's how the men in black robes roll. Support the government status quo at all times.
     
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    The Laws of Physics do not qualify as evidence.

    They cannot be sworn in. They are very upset!
     
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