It's an open and shut case alright. The proof that the government did it is crushing. http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=351109&page=12&p=1065652592#post1065652592 Was the 9-11 Attack the 2001 Version of "Operation Northwoods"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIoK9wvJyyU Operation Northwoods document https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFku_mDwbsE As far as finding out who the "Who" of 9/11 is, all I can do is check out alternative info such as this. Solving 911 Christopher Bollyn 1of2 - PDX 9/11 Truth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ash20GTDH8g Solving 9/11 2of2 - Christopher Bollyn PDX 9/11 Truth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-dLQHO11v4 9/11 False Flag Conspiracy - Finally Solved (Names, Connections, Motives) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAAztWC5sT8 http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/new-american-century/ It seems that there were people both inside and outside who were part of it.
Yes I know that elements within the US government were deeply involved, it's all too obvious. But that's still a general statement. We can also point fingers at some of the responsible parties and some of the possible roles they may have played. But that's not specific enough, we need a lot more than that, not just generalities based on probablities.
The most important aspects of the truth are overlooked by the truth movement. Firstly, the true structural core. If the true core structure was known, no credibility for the official story would be found. Then, the questions begin. http://algoxy.com/psych/fema_deception.html
I'm not going to get into a discussion about the hypothetical "truth movement" because it isn't one person in particular. If you want to get more specific about who in particular, then perhaps we can discuss the issue(s). The true core structure of all 3 towers is known and is public information as far as I know. There is no credibility to the official story with or without the core structures. It's a bunch of lies, distortions and massive omissions (i.e. a scientific and criminal fraud). The 9/11 families submitted approximately 500 questions to the 9/11 Commission and the Commission not only ignored a large percentage of the questions but they did not adequately answer a majority of those they did address. Furthermore, even if the Commission actually addressed ALL the questions, each answer would likely have raised multiple additional questions. And still further, we know there is a vast amount of evidence/documents that are "classified" under pretext of national security. No questions can be raised about what is unknown (other than why are they really classified? And I'm pretty sure we know the general answer to that question) because obviously, that is a huge unknown. So bottom line, the reality of the core structure of the 3 towers is but the tip of the iceberg with regard to 9/11.
Well you're right, it's only hypothetical in terms of as a group-think entity. Any fool who has any ounce of integrity would want nothing but the truth, so that would be a "movement" for those types. Not you, eh? You see yourself as supporting the lie movement? It's one or the other.
Can you show plans that have other than freehand penciled titles without artificial pixelized things as alpha characters in the revision tables? I care not for the unanswered questions. I would expect them to be unanswered. Can you answer and provide evidence as asked above? Since you don't know about the core issue, you appraisal of "iceberg" has no real meaning. How did I imply it was one person? There are icons that mislead. AE9/11 gage is main culprit, but all disciples give credence to fiction. Please provide evidence as requested above.
February 6, 2002 Steel melts and bends, concrete does not. A concrete core is what was in the center of both towers, and the letter above from the NYCLU tells you guiliani took EVERYTHING proving there was a steel reinforced concrete, rectangular, tubular core that the NYC dept. of building had. I have proof from other sources, if you need it.
I can only point you to what's available, period. It's of no importance to me personally with regard to what I'm 100% certain as to what happened to all 3 towers on 9/11. If you want what is available, I can provide you with the links which I'm sure you can find for yourself. The above implies though that you're not interested, but please correct me if I'm wrong. That's quite ok with me. I have thousands of unanswered questions myself and what I do care about are the answers which so far, don't exist. If they weren't addressed by any legitimate official investigation, which doesn't exist either, it goes without saying that they would be unanswered. See above. To you. As follows: A "truth movement", whatever you believe that is, is not a single person with one mind. It is a hypothetical entity that cannot do anything, much less "overlook" anything. Absolutely, see US government servants, many MSM presstitutes and others who promote and defend the OCT, as examples. No the main culprit is identified above. There's nothing fictional about questioning/contradicting the OCT (which is fiction in itself) and demanding a legitimate investigation, which is the bottom line of Gage's agenda. Gage may not have all the details correct but his primary general point is 100% correct. See above.
As far as I've learned, concrete does not melt. When it is heated to over 1,000 C, its elements crumble to a powdery or dustlike substance. Which of course, permeated lower Manhattan on 9/11. I don't but thanks for the offer.
The above is common knowledge but not really presented properly. What is not stated is that to heat massive cast concrete to those temperatures and get that effect requires many days of the sustained 1000 degree temperature. If the concrete is heated too fast the residual water at the surface where the high temp is, expands and throws chunks out in a spalling action. But do you realize the core structure was concrete?
That may be but we know lower Manhattan was blanketed with concrete dust. Entirely of concrete? No. The core can be seen in a PBS documentary (I believe it was removed from YouTube) and in photographs when the building was being constructed. I'm not sure what your point is.
You are trading posts with someone who saw a documentary titled "The Engineering and Construction of the Twin Towers" in 1990. I am a virtual witness to the construction. The documentary you describe is PBS concealing treason in a remake titled "the Center of the world". It misrepresents elevator guide rail supports as steel core columns. That is one reason I filed this disclosure of my knowledge of the concement of treason. http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11title_18.disclosure.html Where are those plans I've asked for? Not the ones with free handed title blocks in pencil that have pixelized things in the cells of the revision tables. This photo shows only a concrete tubular core standing at about 1/2 the towers height. All exterior steel has fallen. And all of the weak elevator guide rail support inside the core has fallen. My point is you have no evidence because Guiliani took it all and I've proven that. My point is that the core was structural and it was cast concrete with very special high tensile steel rebar reinforcing it. And a framed steel structural collapse will not do that.
Interesting, let me go over your case when I get a chance. If that's your point I could have told you that long ago. I am not the depository for 9/11 evidence. Whatever there is that is available online is what you can Google for yourself. Ok if you say so. A steel framed high rise has never naturally collapse in its entirety within seconds from any cause before or after 9/11 so it goes without saying that it would not do that.
It is not a "case" per se. It is an "IN RE:" or "in regard" citing title 18 which is USC, criminal. Essentially the page link I provided is a stand alone information with proof of the concealment of treason by PBS, FEMA, Guliani and SIlversteen. The 1990 documentary I viewed was removed form the PBS digital archives. Dr. Ron Larson, Ph.D physics, material testing had a friend that went to the PBS offices and looked up paper files and found record of it. Essentially they remade it, editing out the concrete core information. Here are the three pages that have the filing and the resulting interaction with the US district court with proof of judges concealing the concealment of treason. http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11title_18.disclosure.html http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11title_18.civreassign.html http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11title_18.civreasign1.html You implied that the steel framed core was proven in the realm of public information. I know far better. What is found is proof of the concealment of treason on the wtc7.net website where the plans are. http://algoxy.com/psych/whatis9-11Disinfo_fakeplan.html http://algoxy.com/psych/whatis9-11Disinfo_anomalie.html These type anomalies are found in around 20% of the sheets of the plans on wtc7.net. After I pointed this out to gage in May of 2008 at the San Luis Obispo public library, the resolution of the digital scans was dropped at the wtc7.net site. The site owner is partners with Dwain Deets who is a pioneer in the drone industry. I do more than say so, I prove it with the safety report of August Domel, a structural engineer certified in 12 states that did preliminary investigation for FEMA in November of 2001 identifying a concrete core. See page 5. His report was on the server of National Council of Structural Engineers Associations; http://www.ncsea.com/downloads/wtcseerp.pdf but was removed in around 2012. I downloaded it long ago and then put it on my server. http://algoxy.com/psych/images3/domel-www.ncsea.down.pdf This is a mock up of the Newsweek story that was on their web site for about 9 years before being changed. Another case of concealment of treason. http://algoxy.com/psych/newsweek.robertson.html Well that is a cloudy statement in an engineering world regarding pulverized concrete and dust. Firstly you describe more concrete than a steel structure would have, then you describe an effect on concrete that collapsing steel would not have.
Well it is a case you made and a very good one. I'm not sure you chose the proper venue (the judiciary) procedurally speaking but I'm certainly ok with it. What happened to it? You know all 3 branches of the US government have a stake in keeping the OCT party line intact, right? I implied nothing of the kind. I merely said that it was public information that it was a steel core. Ok. It's a fact, but feel free to show otherwise if you dispute it. I did no such thing, pay attention, I merely said: My point was about precedent in case you still don't get it, not about the volume of concrete in the tower.
And here I thought you claimed you were some kind of engineer. You quoted ChristopherABrown's entire post but can only respond with utter nonsense about me. So is that the extent to the capability of your argument(s)?
In my last post I explained a judge concealed the concealment of treason and provided links showing the outcome. The judiciary is named in US code as one of the legally required places to disclose knowledge of treason . I know the public has "misinformation" and have proven it. I've redundantly shown the public only has misinformation regarding the core structure. But before that you stated that there was enough concrete to cover lower Manhatten. My point addressed your point by showing why there was enough concrete to cover lower Manhatten, and then I pointed out that a steel framed structure collapsing, precedent or not, could not create concrete dust in the volumes you described.
And if you are correct it's just one more act of treason among many that were perpetrated that day and continues to be perpetrated to this day. So now what?
Now it is about getting people to actually read and understand what is put before them. Do you realize these three links document a federal judge concealing the concealment of treason and directly violating US code? The disclosure http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11title_18.disclosure.html The unlawful local court rule. http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11title_18.civreassign.html The proof of judges concealing treason and violating USC. http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11title_18.civreasign1.html If so, you have the basis for realizing that ONLY the people will uphold the law of the land. In order to do so we must use our right to alter or abolish.
That's also true about 9/11 in general, trying to educate the majority to understand that the OCT is a massive fraud. Yours is not the first discovery of criminality perpetrated by those in the judiciary. All 3 branches of government no longer operate within the confines of the Constitution, they probably haven't for the last 200+ years. You can expose all you want but criminals don't investigate themselves. And this is evidenced by 9/11 and the aftermath. The basis for that was enshrined in our founding document, the Declaration of Independence (see my signature below). The problem is that most people will not do anything and many have been indoctrinated into believing that patriotism is bending over for the US government.
Yes, and this inquiry between Americans compensating for the abridging of the PURPOSE of free speech is the beginning of our being "the rightful masters of the congress and the courts". Do you agree and accept that the framers of the founding documents intended for us to alter or abolish government destructive to our unalienable rights? Do you agree and accept that the ultimate purpose of free speech is to enable the unity adequate to effectively alter or abolish? When we define prime constitutional intent, we become the masters because that is our exclusive right. By our agreement we can use the 9th amendment and the strategy linked above is the lawful path to ending the infiltrations usurpations of the constitution.
Man creates and abolishes governments but man is often enslaved by its own creation. The cycle needs to end and only man can end it. That's exactly what they did and claimed it was their unalienable right to do so. Free speech is an unalienable right to be used by the individual for that individual's purpose. That is the ultimate purpose of free speech. The federal Constitution has a couple of Trojan Horses that require correction, sorry to say. That can and should be done via the Amendment process. Those corrections would truly allow The People to control their government. The US government does not recognize any part of the Bill of Rights except for some occasional lip service and the 9th has been relegated to the bottom of the trash bin for obvious reasons. It is actually the most powerful of all the Amendments. In fact, the current US government doesn't recognize most of the Constitution. You see all sorts of unconstitutional legislation being passed by Congress every year, including laws that make everyone in the US a criminal. You see the judiciary convoluting the meaning of the Constitution to suit the US government and especially its corporate masters. You see 2.3 million people incarcerated in the US and another 5+ million in the for profit corporate run criminal justice system. The most of any nation on the planet. And that's the result of Congress' unconstitutional legislation (i.e. the fake war on drugs invented by John Erlichman, by his own admission, Nixon's "advisor"). The prison system belongs to the Executive branch. And last but not least, you see endless war for hegemony and profit supported by all 3 branches. The amount of money being spent on that would likely be enough to end world hunger. [video=youtube;duLPbu8ZYmk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duLPbu8ZYmk[/video] If you ever want to change the US government to be fully compliant with the US Constitutional as the framers intended (more or less) and more so as The People intend, you first have to start by exposing the reality of 9/11 to all Americans.
