9/11 Was An Inside Job

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  1. RtWngaFraud

    RtWngaFraud Banned

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    It's all I can muster for some folks. Expanding on it would be pointless, anyway, and be attacked. Short, and sweet.
     
  2. Hannibal

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    So why did you post it? Strawman arguments (like your caveman nonsense) are not good arguments.
     
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    They make good dancing material though, don't they?
     
  4. Hannibal

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    Not really.

    Try to stick with evidence, rather than your usual insults and derails.
     
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    "Official" evidence, you mean?
     
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    you seem to think our military is invincible and was prepared for all possible scenarios
     
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    They do boast a bit. Ridiculous that boxcutters derailed them for hours. Planes flew out over the ocean, planes toured the US before they hit Washington, and all kinds of other ridiculous things. Lotta "intelligence" failures, for sure. Oh...and yes, they WERE prepared for 'planes hitting buildings' scenarios, since they were running LIVE simulations of that very thing simultaneously, while is was actually happening 'real world'. Tough to believe that much 'incompetence' occurred at one time.
     
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    I mean reality; not remote controlled planes, not shadow governments controlled by the Jews/ WASPS/ Pilgrims, not silent bombs, not super secret nano-thermute, and certainly not hurricane powered death rays.

    Just the facts.

    Real evidence.

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    The bolded portion is a complete fabrication. Made up by a 'truther' leader and parroted by the lemmings who follow them blindly.
     
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    Like I said..only 'official' evidence. I gotcha the first time.
     
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    Nope...REAL TIME live simulations, doing exactly that. Remember the "is this real world or exercise" comments the FAA recordings that were played on television repeatedly? Hint: They weren't referring to exercises in Iraq. (that would come later).
     
  11. Hannibal

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    No one was running real time simulations of planes flying into buildings simultaneously.
    I'd ask for a link, but we both know you can't provide one.
     
  12. RtWngaFraud

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    You call out the attack dogs, or have me banned, if I did so...yeah..not much point there, huh?
     
  13. Hannibal

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    I knew it.

    Excuses and no evidence.
     
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    Louie Cacchioli was one of the first firefighters to enter the South Tower as it burned. A 20-year veteran of the fire department, Cacchioli told People Weekly:

    "I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there were bombs set in the building."

    Eyewitness Jeff Birnbaum, president of Broadway Electrical Supply Co., New York, recalled events in the South Tower:

    "When we got to about 50 feet from the South Tower, we heard the most eerie sound that you would ever hear. A high-pitched noise and a popping noise made everyone stop. We all looked up. At the point, it all let go. The way I see it, it had to be the rivets. The building let go. There was an explosion and the whole top leaned toward us and started coming down."

    Eyewitness Neil deGrasse Tyson recounted his recollection of explosions at the onset of the collapses in an e-mail he sent to his family on the day after the attack:

    "I hear a second explosion in WTC 2, then a loud, low-frequency rumble that precipitates the unthinkable -- a collapse of all the floors above the point of explosion. First the top surface, containing the helipad, tips sideways in full view. Then the upper floors fall straight down in a demolition-style implosion, taking all lower floors with it, even those below the point of the explosion.
    ...
    As I dress for survival: boots, flashlight, wet towels, swimming goggles, bicycle helmet, gloves, I hear another explosion followed by a now all-too familiar rumble that signaled the collapse of WTC 1, the first of the two towers to have been hit. I saw the iconic antenna on this building descend straight down in an implosion twinning the first."


    The video 9/11, The Greatest Lie Ever Sold contains several excerpts of video reports in which witnesses describe what they saw and heard. In the first, a reporter gives the following account:

    "The chief of safety of the fire department of New York City told me he received word of the possibility of a secondary device: that is another bomb going off. He tried to get his men out as quickly as he could, but he said that there was another explosion which took place and according to his theory he thinks that there were actually devices that were planted within the building."

    The final clip shows a man in a hospital bed, with a video banner reading "AMERICA RESPONDS". He states:

    "and all of a sudden it sounded like gunfire -- you know, bang bang bang bang bang -- then all of a sudden three big explosions."

    John Bussey, foreign editor for the Wall Street Journal described the collapse of the South Tower thusly:

    "I heard this metallic roar, looked up and saw what I thought was just a peculiar site of individual floors, one after the other exploding outward. I thought to myself, “My God, they’re going to bring the building down.” And they, whoever they are, had set charges. In fact the building was imploding down. I saw the explosions, and I thought, ‘This is not a good place to be, because we’re too close to the building, and it’s too easy for the building to topple over.’"

    Karin Deshore, Captain (E.M.S.)

    "Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode"

    Dominick Derubbio, Battalion Chief (F.D.N.Y.) [Division 8]

    "It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion."


    Brian Dixon, Battalion Chief (F.D.N.Y.)

    "The lowest floor of fire in the south tower actually looked like someone had planted explosives around it because the whole bottom I could see -- I could see two sides of it and the other side -- it just looked like that floor blew out. I looked up and you could actually see everything blew out on the one floor. I thought, geez, this looks like an explosion up there, it blew out."

    Rich Banaciski, Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 22]

    "And then I just remember there was just an explosion. It seemed like on television they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions."


    Stephen Gregory, Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.)

    "[It was at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw."

    Greg Brady, E.M.T. (E.M.S.) [Battalion 6]

    "We were standing underneath and Captain Stone was speaking again. We heard -- I heard 3 loud explosions. I look up and the north tower is coming down now, 1 World Trade Center"

    Kevin Gorman, Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 22]

    "I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes."

    Gregg Hansson, Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y)

    "Then a large explosion took place."

    John Malley, Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 22]

    "I felt the rumbling, and then I felt the force coming at me. I was like, what the hell is that? In my mind it was a bomb going off."

    Keith Murphy, (F.D.N.Y.)

    "I had heard right before the lights went out, I had heard a distant boom boom boom, sounded like three explosions. I don't know what it was. At the time, I would have said they sounded like bombs, but it was boom boom boom and then the lights all go out."

    Michael Ober, E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

    "Then we heard a rumble, some twisting metal, we looked up in the air, and to be totally honest, at first, I don't know exactly -- but it looked to me just like an explosion."

    Janice Olszewski, Captain (E.M.S.)

    "I thought it was an explosion or a secondary device, a bomb, the jet -- plane exploding, whatever."

    Angel Rivera, Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

    "Mike Mullan walked one flight up, and then the most horrendous thing happened. That's when hell came down. It was like a huge, enormous explosion. I still can hear it. Everything shook."


    Daniel Rivera, Paramedic (E.M.S.) [Battalion 31]

    "At first I thought it was -- do you ever see professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear "Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop"? That's exactly what -- because I thought it was that."

    Kennith Rogers, Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

    "Meanwhile we were standing there with about five companies and we were just waiting for our assignment and then there was an explosion in the south tower. I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing. I was there in '93."

    Patrick Scaringello, Lieutenant (E.M.S.)

    "I was assisting in pulling more people out from debris, when I heard the second tower explode."

    Jay Swithers, Captain (E.M.S.)

    "I took a quick glance at the building and while I didn't see it falling, I saw a large section of it blasting out, which led me to believe it was just an explosion. I thought it was a secondary device, but I knew that we had to go."

    David Timothy, E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

    "The next thing I knew, you started hearing more explosions. I guess this is when the second tower started coming down."

    Albert Turi, Deputy Assistant Chief (F.D.N.Y.)

    "And as my eyes traveled up the building, and I was looking at the south tower, somewhere about halfway up, my initial reaction was there was a secondary explosion, and the entire floor area, a ring right around the building blew out."

    Here is a link to another 40 eye-witnesses that reported explosions, explosives or secondary devices.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw

    Why do you constantly reverse the truth to its opposite position, and then try to ridicule the original truth with silly language and laughter emotes?
     
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    Yup. Your tactics have been very effective.
     
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    Cacchioli was upset that People's Magazine misquoted him, saying "there were bombs" in the building when all he said was he heard "what sounded like bombs" without having definitive proof bombs were actually detonated. He doesn't believe there were bombs. Other firefighters have been victims of misquoting as well. Dominick Derubbio on 911review.com is quoted as saying "It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion..." whereas the full quote is "It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion, but I guess it was just the floors starting to pancake one on top of the other." On the same website is Craig Carlsen saying he " . . . There were about ten explosions . . . " What immediately followed in the quote was "At the time I didn't realize what it was. We realized later after talking and finding out that it was the floors collapsing to where the plane had hit."

    Why do 'truthers' quote mine people and present false evidence?

    http://www.louiecacchioli.com/about.html
     
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    Firstly, can you explain why you have addressed only two quotes from the list I gave you? Secondly, there are over eighty separate statements of people testifying to hearing explosions on that list, so your statement about "silent bombs" is a proven grand lie. Thirdly, Louis Cacchioli said no such thing; the statement has been written by an unknown source and they are not Cacchioli's words. Fourthly, your quote from Derubbio proves that it was a timed explosion. Because as NIST has made quite clear:-

    NIST’s findings do not support the “pancake theory” of collapse, which is premised on a progressive failure of the floor systems in the WTC towers

    http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/faqs_wtctowers.cfm

    Your information is false, it contradicts other information given by the same and different people, and you are lying at every available opportunity to cover the large gap inbetween.

    Frankly, I find your posts to be a joke.
     
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    If the first statement (regarding Louie Cacchioli) was a complete falsehood, and I showed that it was, should I expect the rest of the statements to get more truthful as they go along?

    I provided a link directly to Cacchioli's website.
     
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    No one 'attacks' you.....feeling unloved,are we?
     
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    Supposition and quotes being taken out of context.....that's all.
     
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    its amazing how folks take things out of context
     
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    Nicholas Borrillo -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) on 23rd floor of North Tower:
    Then we heard a rumble. We heard it and we felt the whole building shake. It was like being on a train, being in an earthquake. A train is more like it, because with the train you hear the rumbling, and it kind of like moved you around in the hall.

    Paul Curran -- Fire Patrolman (F.D.N.Y.) North Tower:
    I went back and stood right in front of Eight World Trade Center right by the customs house, and the north tower was set right next to it. Not that much time went by, and all of a sudden the ground just started shaking. It felt like a train was running under my feet.

    Joseph Fortis -- E.M.T. (E.M.S.) T]he ground started shaking like a train was coming. You looked up, and I guess -- I don't know, it was one that came down first or two? Which one?

    Keith Murphy -- (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 47] At the time, I would have said they sounded like bombs, but it was boom boom boom and then the lights all go out. I hear someone say oh, s___, that was just for the lights out. I would say about 3, 4 seconds, all of a sudden this tremendous roar. It sounded like being in a tunnel with the train coming at you.

    Timothy Julian -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 118] You know, and I just heard like an explosion and then cracking type of noise, and then it sounded like a freight train, rumbling and picking up speed, and I remember I looked up, and I saw it coming down.



    These damning accounts come from the oral histories of 9/11. Lawsuits were required to bring this information to light, and you can obviously see why the government wanted them hidden. They challenge the official narrative that airplanes hit the buildings and give actual proof that the towers were actually brought down by trains. The last quote is the most damning, and naturally the least widely publicized by the mainstream media. "I saw it (the train) coming down". We have at least one witness on record saying that he saw the actual train involved.
     
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    no actually you did not. bombs sound like bombs and unless you can prove otherwise there is no reason to fantasize it was anything but a bomb.
     
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    not when people had skin blown off their faces and the fist floor lobby had the marble blown off the walls and the glass blown out of all the windows.

    overwhelming evidence that explosives were used despite your unwarranted unreasonable denial.
     
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    lets see the 911 investigation forensics reports that tested for explosives and incendiary devices which is standard procedure even when someones residence burns down.

    OR

    explain why the WTC was the exception

    jeopardy music please.
     

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