90% Of June Job Gains Went To Workers 55 And Older

I dont understand most peoples ideas and blanket statements on this site in reference to work and generational aspects of work ethic. I understand your struggles, and being in my mid thirties I have had to experience what you have before with temp agencies and the changing structures of hiring in the past decade.

But my little life experience anecdote goes like this. I have to train people at my job, just had a young kid who was 20 work over the summer and he recently left to go to university, as it was just temporary for him (Good for him). He had his little generational aspects with the cell phone but aside from that he worked hard, came to work on time, and was able to pick on things quicker than most. I have another guy a few years older still in his early twenties...... He sucks for the most part and it has little to anything but the fact he is a low quality human who has a hard time learning something new (No problems getting to work either). I have a baby boomer recently to, I would not say he is the greatest worker with his experience, once again low quality human, older, slower, hates learning anything new or out of what he thinks is his job scope. I have other baby boomers working before, with and over me that are the (*)(*)(*)(*). Same goes for everybody and no generation of people I would say are any better or worse than the one before or after; its more about the person, their self esteem and work ethic. Oh and being smart and a quick learner helps to, but once again it depends on who walks through the door and not what age bracket, color, or group they fall into. Ive seen crap from every age group and generation, and I have seen high quality and good people to work with from the same groups.

 

I totally understand your position...

Places are hiring now that Obamcare kicked in in 2016, but the problem is - there are jobs but they're all part-time jobs...

Indeed you got a full-time job via a temp agency, a lot of companies use them because they don't have to provide private healthcare.

The problem with unemployment agencies where I'm at is that they're blatantly racist and owned by Latino's who only hire Latino's...

At least you got a job tho....

I was doing the same at your age (a bit older) working at a steel manufacturing plant making 13/hr + the option of OT on weekends at $20.50/hr (that was really good money).... That was an extra $150.00 (after taxes) for one day alone. They also gave the option of 11 hour shifts as well...

I was bringing home after taxes 750 a week and my apartment only cost me 750 a month.... Good times! I had 2,000 extra a month to save or do whatever I wanted to do with....

 

I have two sons around your age and they have worked since ages 15 and 16. While going to high school and playing sports. Then also while in college.

I know a lot of you are hard workers. Don't let us old fogeys bother you. Our parents said the same about us lol

 

Haha, I wish I was in that position. Apartments around here are crazy expensive for the area I live in. There are some that are $1,200/month for a SINGLE BEDROOM that are run down and falling apart and in the middle of the ghetto to top it off. Hell of a deal, right?

I personally don't trust a word out of these temp agencies though. Last time I got involved with one, both the agency and the place I was working at said I'd get a full position after 3 months. Worked there for 9 months, inquired about that full time position and got canned immediately lol. This place is saying the same thing, so we'll just see how that works out. Bright side, I did very well on my Post Office exam and hoping to get in there soon.

 

*I was just looking at the math, because I know people who make that and do not take home so much after taxes, or even before by my calc. Im not sure if the option for OT on the weekends was for Saturday and Sunday.
Was your apartment all bills paid with a vehicle you owned and did not have to pay insurance for, because that's alot of saving for someone who made below 15 dollars an hour(24,000 a year)EDIT: What someone takes home at 11.50 per yer??? http://www.miniwebtool.com/salary-conversion-calculator/ ? If you hit overtime on the weekend @20.50 and worked 11 hours its 225.50 before taxes ( I guess you worked 7 days a week and did not hit OT on the week, or the 11 hour shift was 4 days even still you would hit OT before the weekend). If you worked all week at 13.50 an hour you would hit OT before the weekend on an 11 hours shift. 13.50 X 40 is 540.00........

225.50 for the OT day @ 11 hours before being taxed, 540.00 for the week before taxes = 765.50?
not sure how you hit 750 a week after taxes and could save 24,000 a year beyond your cost of living, just saying seems like you are blowing smoke out of something? Just looking at the numbers you provided and helping you out on the weekend day.

 

I had a huge 2BR place for $750 a month..... I had a kitchen, dining room, 2 BR and a huge living room.

I own a house now but.....

Yea....

Those from Chicago area - it was across the street from Great America.... Not a terrible place...

The problem was they put all of us "younger cats" in the same buildings so it was more like a dorm environment... A 3 story building with 6 units of young single guys between the ages of 21-27 lol...

Oh it was absolutely great and fun.....

Weekends were crazy, I tried to work Saturdays to make that extra $$$ but I would do that every other weekend - either way I was off on Fridays at 12 midnight so the party was still going when I got home.....

Crazy stuff really...

 

I lived in an apartment complex, I only had to pay for electric and cable (which I stole anyway)..... I didn't buy insurance for my car...

My apartment was $750 a month everything including all utilities except electric...

I had a 40 hour M-F schedule at $13.00/hr with an option for 2-3 extra per night from M-F (meaning when I chose to I could work 12 hours a day)..

Then they always offered an extra shift on Saturdays but it was optional.

Of course anything over 40 hours is x 1.5 of your hourly wage, in my case it was $20.50.

So I had the opportunity to work 24 hours of OT a week at $20.50/hr on top of my $13.00/hr regular salary.

Indeed I did quite a few weeks at 64 hrs and my 24/hrs of OT..... They were fat paychecks to boot.

I had to pay 30 a month in union dues a month tho.

Damn I had it made....

I bet if I didn't screw up that job (because I overworked myself and burnt out and decided to party) I would be making without question 25-30/hr now with the same opportunities for OT...

Oh and I don't even have a mortgage now and I own a home.

I wish I really stuck with that company.....

 

Obama did not get the public option he wanted, did not have the votes needed

crazy to hear republican call Obama the worse when Bush took that title

and not only that, republicans have controlled Congress the last 6 years, if your not seeing the bills you want signed into law, ask Congress why none sent to Obama's desk

sounds like what you want in universal health insurance, I want that too

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I'm not a republican.......... Indeed I'm anti-progressive and I make that blatantly clear but that doesn't make me a republican because I'm anti-progressive.

I don't even know where to begin with this..

Let's start with the "Republican House" absolutely the Republicans own the House of Congress, but at the same time unlike the DNC you have republicans that are more libertarian than others and you have ones that are more "establishment" than other and that causes problems within the RNC, unlike the DNC where you all think the same, do the same and for the most part vote the same...

Obamacare has been a struggle because the intelligent republicans damn well knew what the result would be - and we're seeing the results of Obamacare presently - doctors who are quitting their practice, insurance companies folding, deductibles going through the roof...... We saw this when we read the law, meanwhile other "republicans" RINO's saw Obamacare as a bargaining chip.....

The people that actually make this country work got played on Obamacare.....

Funny, how the REAL SOLUTION to OBAMACARE was to open up the free market instead of having 2 or 3 providers provide in every state.... Oh yeah I forgot that is what progressives wanted all along in their attempt to nationalize heathlcare......

Our system was more affordable before and better even with these in state healthcare models - but it was STILL TOO EXPENSIVE for typical people working lower middle class jobs... Medical care is only rigged because there is no competition. If you live in Florida why cant you buy a plan from a company in say Iowa?

Why not?

That's how you fix the insurance problem first and foremost...

Now on to those who can't afford insurance..... What do they they think they're getting now? access to the best doctors in the world? hell no, they're getting the same thing they were getting before a clinic and a healthcare document that makes them feel like they have healthcare...... Doctors aren't taking Obamacare funny money certificates and private insurance companies are dying....

Medical Doctors are fleeing the industry and I feel bad for a lot of them.... They spent so much on education to be doctors (8-12+ years) and now they're screwed under Obamacare.

Obamacare is a perfect example of how progressives can collapse a system believing all these excess doctors will come to their national program.....Good luck with that....

Just another example of progressives collapsing a system to force people to come to them..... That is why Obama is trying to collapse economy, to make people dependent on government and to nationalize industry.

 

Progressives have not had "their way" since Reagan. Libertarian and market-oriented "solutions" have taken the forefront in both parties. It is hilarious (and quite sad) that the right continues to bash a non-existent progressivism as the cause of their woes, when their guys have controlled both parties for decades. At least a few on the Trump wing are starting to see through this transparent BS.

 

I can't believe you just posted that when they've had nothing but their way since Reagan.
That's entirely false.
Okay,it all started with Carter,then there was a hiatus until Reagan's 2nd congress..very corrupt congress.
Reagan was good,his Congress notsomuch,especially after he got shot.
Been downhill ever since.
Look at the Attorney General now.Supposed to be the epitome of Justice?
Everybody sees this.
Anandtech political section and mods are nothing but Social Justice Warriors.
It can't be put any plainer than that.

 

It's plain that you haven't the remotest clue what economic progressivism means. So here's a clue: it has nothing to do with Obama or either of the Clintons. There's not even a glimmer of daylight between the view of Mitt Romney and that of the Clintoncrats when it comes to the economy. By any objective measure of policy and legislation, even Nixon would be to the left of any of these guys.

I don't give a rat's sass about BLM or SJWs. They are distractions.

 

That's not a good situation.
If "economic progressivism" means everybody's pretty much a slave to the Fed..that's what we have now.
36% tax? we got that.

 

I am not a democrat either, just anti-Conservative

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You're proving my point. None of this has anything to do with progressivism - we don't need higher taxes to correct the problems we have (all of which have been caused by people following the Gingrich/Clinton/Ryan/Obama neoliberal mindset).

 

Well I suppose that would make you anti-Bill of Rights, constitution and other founding ideals then?

 

You're way too busy defining what other people believe. I advise starting with what you believe, and then looking long and hard at whether it aligns with reality.

 

You responded to this point

"Quote Originally Posted by MolonLabe2009 View Post
I keep hearing the left say that the reason that the workforce participation rate is so low is because the baby boomers are retiring."

With this statement

I just showed it is YOUR "logic" that fails including the BLS analysis which trumps you layman knowledge at best. The baby-boomers are the ONLY age group INCREASING it's labor participation rate it's they younger workers who are not.

 

^This is the reality of America these days.It's not pretty.
I tell ya 1 thing:Illegals took their yerbs.AND drive wages down.

 

Why is them going out of business altogether better?

 

it's greed, they do not have to go out of business, why should their employee not have health care because their boss is greedy

I support universal Health Insurance, that way it's not up to your boss if you have health care anymore

 

We older folks make great employees.

We don't complain, we're reliable, and we get it done.

My two cents ...

 

Illegals cant take certain jobs (not sure if your being sarcastic ), this is only a problem for the uneducated and the lowest of skilled positions. I cant remember ever applying for a job that you did not have to verify US citizenship or work visa status LOL..... The cost of education is very high in this country and because of affirmative action; they have to list qualifications for a job and not look at if your someones brother, the color of your skin, your gender ect. ect. ect. If you dont have the qualifications some places even request you dont bother submitted a resume or application, and they are just going to get more stringent and tacking on more advanced education standards.

That makes a problem for people looking for the good jobs who have to compete with LEGAL Aliens who had a better path to getting a higher degree. Some countries even pay for your education; not so much here. It costs a lot of money and time to get a good education at this point if you are American, thats a problem if it is required for good jobs. Not a knock on the foreign people taking good jobs like say doctor, where the cost is little and their entire social structure makes it easier for them get there, good for them and they are usually pretty smart people. The cost of education is getting to high and kids are more likely to have to start work before they can finish something like a 6 year doctorate, or have a rich family, or drive themselves into massive debt to get there.

 

Not everybody is college material and there's plenty of work to be done that doesn't require a BA.
1 instance:Chucking watermelons.

 

All I can say is the founding fathers would approve of my positions and would perhaps (and I'm not even joking here) find progressives to be influenced by some kind of non-human entity be it alien, the devil or psychosis...

I have often wondered what a man like Jefferson would make of present day politics..... I think he would be crushed once he understood our society.....

I could only imagine him scolding the SCOTUS......

God what a fascinating fiction (as far as bringing Jefferson or the founders to the present times to address our present society) book that would be.........

Jefferson would say something like; "indeed hence authority shall be well regulated but the regulated put in ideal stocks, authority is of English Loyalist aristocratic ideals and immoral with no nature and no regard for simple and within regard to values of the war".... I could hear Jefferson addressing the SCOTUS with that wit if he was plucked and placed before the SCOTUS and he understood current events.