911 victim telling you how it is

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  1. Patriot911

    Patriot911 New Member Past Donor

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    Evidence of whatever claim the truther is trying to make. Which claim are you trying to make? If you are going to actually make a claim, don't you think it is a good idea to back it up with evidence? I think so. So why don't you stand up for your belief that the government was behind 9/11 and present evidence that proves the government was behind 9/11. Surely something besides paranoia convinced you the government was behind 9/11, right?
     
  2. groupthink

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    how do i provide "evidence" to back up my claim of ....i just dont think a 737 hit the pentagon

    what type of "evidence" do i need to support my belief?
     
  3. Patriot911

    Patriot911 New Member Past Donor

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    NOBODY but you is claiming a 737 hit the Pentagon. If you can't even get the simplest facts right, why should anyone believe you that you got the major facts right?

    Well, you have all the evidence that a 757 hit the Pentagon. You have numerous eyewitnesses. You have physical evidence. You have pictures of plane parts. You have the forensic evidence in the form of the DNA evidence. You have the Flight Data Recorder. You have the fact no sign of flight 77 or its passengers have ever been found. You have the radar evidence that shows flight 77 from the time it took off to the time it crashed into the Pentagon.

    You dismiss all this evidence because you just don't think a 737 hit the Pentagon.

    In a court of law, what you think doesn't matter. If you want evidence thrown out, you have to either prove the evidence is wrong or provide evidence that proves something else happened instead.

    So provide evidence that either shows Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon or evidence that something else did.

    Simple as that. After all, you didn't just come up with your claim out of thin air, did you? It isn't just based on opinion and not actual facts, is it?
     
  4. groupthink

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    oh im sorry.. i have 3 babies im taking care of.. so i put 737... pleease forgive me.

    evidence of 757? or people saying it?

    do you have video or photos of 757 hitting pentagon? no you dont..

    i dont think a 757 did hit the pentagon.. i dont need evidence to prove my belief.. its all BS.
     
  5. Patriot911

    Patriot911 New Member Past Donor

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    I just outlined the evidence. You have zero evidence to refute the evidence. That isn't good enough in anyone's books and you DO need evidence if you're actually asking people to believe your bull(*)(*)(*)(*) claims. That is what bull(*)(*)(*)(*) claims are; claims people can't back up. Thanks for proving that for me. ;-)
     
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    who did i ask to believe my wild no 757 hit the pentagon claim?
     
  7. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    So in YOUR world,unless there is a video of the event,it never happened,right?

    And you DO know the evidence 'laughs in your face',right?

    Besides,you need to tell us WHY you think no 757 hit the pentagon,you made the claim,you need to back it up....
     
  8. groupthink

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    im not allowed to have a belief? if i see video of a 757 hitting the pentagon ill believe it... im not allowed to feel that way?
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    You're not allowed to make claims calling good men and women liars without backing it up

    It's that simple...
     
  10. groupthink

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    who was the good man i called a liar?

    so theirs a limit on my freedom of speech?
     
  11. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    When you claim the official story is 'BS' you do so.....and I said 'Men and women'

    And yes,there ARE limits on your speech....you can't slander someone with impunity without sufferering the consequences...
     
  12. groupthink

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    who did i slander?

    ill make it easy for you

    1)i THINK the towers came down way to fast and early..
    2) i dont think a 757 hit the pentagon
    3) i dont think flt93 crashed into the crater in shanksville
    4) i think the american government was involved and some parts "made it happen" as in the 93 bombing and countless other events..

    those are my beliefs.. who am i slandering?
     
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    1. What speed and time should they have "come down"
    2. So? What caused the damage to the pentagon?
    3. So? What caused the damage in Shanksville?
    4. What do the "countless other events" have to do with 9/11?

    The family members and memories of those that died on flight 93 and flight 77 for starters.
     
  14. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Somehow I get the Impression GT will ignore this post....
     
  15. Patriot911

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    You are calling everyone who witnessed a 757 hitting the Pentagon a liar.

    Learn English. There is a limit on freedom of speech. There always has been. HOWEVER, that is not what LoneStrSt8 is talking about. As usual, you fail to grasp the meaning and try to fit what is said into a literal context. You want people to believe your claim that nothing hit the Pentagon. You have zero evidence to back your claim up. Are you allowed to have that belief? Absolutely. But when you claim it is a fact, want others to believe your claim and you can't back it up or refute the evidence, then you are lying about what happened.

    Nobody here is telling you to shut up. But just as you have freedom of speech to proclaim lies you can't back up, we have the right to point out the falacy of those lies. Freedom of speech is, has and always will be a double edged sword. It gives you the freedom to say what you want without fear of government reprisal, but it also means others have the same rights as you and can say things you don't agree with even when you have nothing to refute what is said.
     
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    no i think they share my views.. how does my disbelief of the official story "slander" the famies?
     
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    what witness knew what they saw? for the split second in view.. KNEW it was a 757 flight 77?

    you claim i am "calling them liars" im ok with that..i wont lose any sleep over it... not my words to call them :liars" that was you who said that.
     
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    You're not sure how your belief that a plane didn't crash into Shanksville or the Pentagon would defame the victims or the families of the victims that claim to have lost loved ones in the Shanksville and Pentagon crashes? It doesn't sound like you've really thought your opinion through.
     
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    i dont think 93 crashed into the crater in shanksville... or flight 77 hit the pentagon....the families know what happened why?
     
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    It is your claim no plane hit the Pentagon. Numerous people witnessed first hand an American Airlines plane hitting the Pentagon. Several people even identified it as a 757. Did they know it was flight 77? No. So what plane is missing from the equation? Seriously. It doesn't take a genius to add all this up and figure out what happened.

    It also doesn't matter what euphamism or excuse you use to sooth your guilty concience. You're still calling every witness a liar when you claim no plane hit the Pentagon. You can't even tell us what you DO believe, much less show evidence to back it up. And we're suppose to believe you're honest?
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You keep talking about all this thinking you've been doing. Why is it that you've not taken your thoughts to their conclusion?
     
  22. Patriot911

    Patriot911 New Member Past Donor

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    So what happened to them? Surely you don't think they just up and disappeared, right? Have you found any of the passengers and crew alive? No? Hmmm. How about just telling us what your favorite theory is as to what happened to them. Go ahead. We're listening.
     
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    classic...

    1)flight77 757 did not hit pentagon.. i added nothing more.
    2) in a split second... a dozen people positively identified the craft as the 757 flight 77? in a fraction of a second.
     
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    trying to bait me into fabricating a scenerio?

    i dont believe no 757 hit the pentagon.... nothing follows.
     
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    OK, so you believe SOMETHING hit the Pentagon. So how did they get everyone's DNA in there? Personal effects? What happened to flight 77 and why do a bait and switch? Waffle all you want. The truth will eventually come out.


    Who said anything about a split second? That is just yet another lie you made up to try and make your claim somehow believable. It didn't work. Many people saw what happened at the Pentagon from a distance, which means they would see the plane for several seconds; more than enough time to positively identify the plane as a 757.

    Or are those people lying? One person was a pilot who identified the plane from the air at the request of ATC. He called it a 757. He then saw it impact the Pentagon. Is he a liar? What is your evidence he is a liar? Remember, your lame opinion that Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon isn't evidence that backs up your claim. It proves something, but not that. ;-)
     

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