A ‘Liberty’ Rebellion in Idaho Threatens to Undermine Coronavirus Orders

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  1. HereWeGoAgain

    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    What are you talking about? Restricting access to what medication. You pull bs out of your ass and start posting nonsense.

    And I'm not left. I'm anti trump. That makes me right.
     
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    Lol. It's become somewhat of a moot point, but let's keep it simple: Issuing orders on what medications can and can't be used in these emergency crises, just to stick it to President Trump betrays patient-doctor relationships and above all, doesn't help anyone.

    There will be a myraid of tools to fight the coronavirus, I recommend and want all of them. I just don't want anymore news media and political pundits sticking their dirty fingers where they don't belong.
     
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    Keeping our distance until a cure and/or vaccine is available will save thousands of lives. Let's revisit this in a few weeks if and when this opening up starts another spike in onfections and death.

    I'm not worried for myself. I had it already. I'm worried about the people that these protesters have contact with, and their loved ones. The videos they've been showing of crowded parks and beaches is troubling. I'm in full agreement with Dr. Brix, who said "It's devastatingly worrisome to me personally because if they go home and infect their grandmother or their grandfather who has a co-morbid condition and they have a serious or a very — or an unfortunate outcome, they will feel guilty for the rest of our lives."
     
  4. Pycckia

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    Unless the economy collapses in the mean time leading to widespread famine.

    We should figure out a way to protect the elderly who are in actual danger without causing economic collapse by locking down everyone.
     
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    If it were just the elderly, yeah. But it isn't, and I think you know that. The hot spots are nursing homes, prisons, and meat processing plants. Guess why.

    The Trump administration has convinced most Americans that this is a binary option: crash the economy by staying home, or get back out there and risk our lives. They never mention Option 3, which is testing before reopening. That needs to include anti-body tests to see who may have already had the virus.

    Trump and Pence and everyone on their staffs have been getting tested once a week at minimum, but if you or I want a test, well, we can just go piss up a rope.

    Every expert out there, including those on the official task force whom Trump has not yet fired, are in full agreement that we should not "get back out there" until we have the capacity to test, test, test, and do the associated contact tracing. Trump cares a lot more about the economy and his ability to get re-elected than he does our lives.

    This is America, and we are mighty. We can rebuild our economy, we can take care of each other in the meantime ... we've done it before. But we can't bring the dead back to life.
     
  6. Pycckia

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    I don't think testing and contact tracing will do any good. There are too many people to test and too many contacts to trace.

    The Wuflu is with us indefinitely. There will be periodic outbreaks and a certain number of deaths every year for the foreseeable future.

    And to be frank, I am much more worried about the economy than I am about my own life. I care about the future of my grandchildren than I do about my ability to potter around in the garden for a few extra years.

    And not every "expert out there" recommends what you are saying.

    This one for instance:

    Sweden, which has received ample criticism for keeping much of society running during the coronavirus pandemic, garnered some praise Wednesday from a top official at the World Health Organization.

    Dr. Michael Ryan, the WHO’s emergency expert, said the Scandinavian nation put in place a “very strong public health policy” and that “to reach a ‘new normal’, in many ways Sweden represents a future model,” Reuters reported.


    https://www.nydailynews.com/coronav...0200430-rsa3s3lm6bfk3fjofw3oezzrxu-story.html
     
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    Sweden isn't nearly as congested as our cities tend to be. More people live in the Los Angeles metropolitan area than in Sweden. And their infection rate per 100,000 (not that they're doing much testing) is quite high. They decided to go with the "do nothing and hope for herd immunity" solution. Also, Sweden isn't short on medical resources or equipment, and they did put restrictions in place for jails and nursing homes back in February, when Trump was still telling us that it was one guy coming in from China.

    FYI, the term "foreseeable future" is an oxymoron.
     
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    Yes. I am recommending herd immunity too. A high infection rate is to be expected with such a strategy.

    My rationale for this strategy is that lock downs will fail to eliminate the virus and if the virus is not eliminated everyone will become infected eventually anyway.
     
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    I understand and appreciate your rationale, but I don't share it. I prefer the separation policy, until a solid treatment and/or a vaccine can be developed. Fewer dead people that way. Continuing as we were and hoping to be one of the lucky ones who don't die is too much of a risk, and I'm not a gambler. The odds always favor the house ... or the virus.
     
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    I worry about the world we will leave my grandchildren. A global depression seems too high a price to pay.
     
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    I guess I have more confidence in Americans. We can rebuild our economy, we've done it before. But the dead will stay dead.
     
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    The goal is to throttle the rate of infection so as to avoid putting the medical community in a crisis. In the mean time, better treatments and vaccines are being developed. If left to run amok, likely a million or more people will die unnecessarily.

    Also, according to one expert on pandemic economics, the first rule is that you can't control the economy until you control the virus.

    There are no easy answers here. And just throwing caution to the wind WILL crash the economy as well. But instead of being controlled, it will be chaos with people dying in the streets.

    The world and the US are slowing opening again. We all know we have to accept a lot of death no matter what we do.
     
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    Which expert is that? I have two who say that strict lock downs are not recommended.
     
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    This doesn't seem responsible:
     
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    McGeachin should perhaps take a good look at Alabama. They reopened just over two weeks ago, and as of yesterday, their deaths have doubled, just as the experts predicted. I suspect the same for Georgia, but they're fudging the numbers so it's hard to tell.
     
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    They Are my hero’s for this,damn right these evil politicians are trampling on our rights
     
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    So you believe everything go the lamestream media tells you
     
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    Alabama opened only days ago for many things. When someone gets infected with covid, there is an incubation period of about a week, then symptoms begin, testing, and if hospitalization is required, a patient can be hospitalized for weeks before death. And you think an increase in death reflects reopening 4 days ago?

    Those that die likely became infected several weeks before death occurs. I thought you would know that but apparently not. What else do you need explained to you?
     
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    Of course not. What a silly statement.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

    https://6abc.com/coronavirus-update-symptoms-us/5988037/

    Like anyone with more than two brain cells, I go to at least two sources for corroborating information, and I use the followhing website to gauge their reputations for accurate reporting:

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/

    And btw, 9/11was most definitely not an inside job.
     
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    May 8 was Alabama's official reopening. That was almost three weeks ago.

    Please lose the snark unless you'd like some back. I've been polite with you.
     
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    :blahblah::blahblah::blahblah::mrgreen:
    You could have fooled me you don’t believe everything they tell the fact you believe that bs that bin laden was behind it,Tell that garbage to all the witnesses who heard explosions in the lower floors many being firefighters experienced in the sound of explosives,and thousands of architects and engineers who disagree with you and even demolition experts.lol you obviously know nothing about bld 7 either because that is the crux of the coverup nobody has ever been able to debunk that explosives were used cause they never have any answers on bld 7:grin: next thing you’ll tell me is you believe in the magic bullet theory of the Warren commissions as well. Please don’t tell me you are that gullible also. Comedy gold:roflol:
     
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    I was there.

    55 Water St., 27th floor, with a clear view of both towers. I saw everything. And heard it, and felt it.

    I'm not a believer, period. I've always preferred knowledge to belief. I recommend you acquire some on the events of 9/11 instead of repeating old, debunked, tin foil hat conspiracies.

    I was polite with you, so I'd appreciate it if you treated me the same. Your snarky reply was unnecessary.
     

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