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    https://www.news4jax.com/news/georg...mentioned-in-the-ahmaud-arbery-investigation/

    That’s the description in the footage. So every black man in America wears a red shirt and black shorts? Come on, they were right about Arbery, he was the man from the previous incidents. Maybe it’s you who has no clue, you’re seeing racism where there is none, this isn’t James Byrd, this isn’t Emmett Till, these were three men trying to detain a suspected burglar for the police who then attacked one of them. Greg saw Arbery fleeing from the construction site and surmised he had been in there again and was running away because he had been spotted, he was 100% right. If you have reasonable grounds for believing I’m a burglar you have every right to detain me for the police. I don’t know who took the pistol but certainly they had RGTS to suspect he had given the theft and his prior actions. They were not racist, they were simply three good neighbours chasing a suspected burglar, they were hardly cowards, they were confronting a very possibly an armed criminal and they killed him because he attacked them.
     
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    That’s a stretch, you’re making it sound as if Greg McMichael was bosom buddy with the prosecutors, they probably wouldn’t recognise him if he walked in the room. It is malpractice if it was anything.



    Travis did the shooting because Arbery viciously attacked him. Only true if you consider their grounds to be unreasonable, I do consider them to be so, you do not, we’ll see what the jury thinks.



    Oh FFS I can, McCabe was investigating the GOP candidate whilst his wife was standing for the DNC and he was contributing to her campaign. If that’s not a conflict of interest what is? Mueller was investigating a case where there were allegations of anti-Trump bias and abuse of power by the FBI investigating the Russian collusion allegations yet he had known and worked with many of those involved as FBI head and didn’t recuse himself or force them to. My point is, you say this was all very clear cut, I say not so much.



    You must remember lawyers work for both prosecution and defence, police officers are always for the prosecution. You’re right about civil law of course but we’re discussing a criminal matter. Were not talking about PBARD in court, just RGTS to detain for the police. By the letter of the law you are correct but will any jury not sympathise with Travis and Bryan?



    Well Tinkerbell, if we’re civil you stop insinuating that I’m a mall cop and I’ll stop insinuating that you’re the night court janitor? But you obviously are a SNOB? Anyone can have money, power, excitement and knowing you make positive difference to society is much more edifying. And frankly I don’t think anyone wants to hear about the money you earn for your coprophilia vids?



    Travis communications prove he’s a racist but have nothing to do with this case. In fact Greg never even refers to the suspect being black when he calls Travis. As for Dial I just can’t understand why he was allowed to give his opinions?



    Let me ask, with King, what would you have done? Verbal commands failed, hand to hand failed, taser failed, what was the alternative? Police officers use force and pain compliance to subdue suspects, that’s an accepted legal necessity. Marcia didn’t do the glove debacle and the jury paid no attention to the long opening, Furhman killed the case and she had no way of knowing he was the defence’s trump card. Again, I’m not a lock her upper, I don’t think either was criminally negligent but it’s the just the way HRC was so arbitrarily cleared (or would you say, ‘corruptly’?).



    You’re right about Spacey as a gay womaniser (?) but none of the charges against him are proceeding, if I was him I’d just move to some island somewhere, write my memoirs and produce a theatre troop. MJ had an extensive mannequin collection but of stuff such as Superman and Lara Croft, he’s a weirdo but not necessarily a child molester. Again my problem with Cosby is what changed between the first and second trial that evidence that had previously been excluded was now admitted?



    Let’s change the game a little, pretend I’m the defence and you’re the CPS. How would you handle the case. My strategy would be;



    1. Greg takes the stand, the others don’t, Bryan and Travis’ racist postings would be a gift to the prosecution. Again and again stress “We only wanted to detain him for the police”, that they had no other motivation, could have shot him at any time but only wanted to speak with him.



    2. Stress the background, the cctv and facebook, Arbery or a suspect who strongly resembled him being spotted in the property, the prior theft of the gun and the suspect intimating he was armed on a separate occasion.



    3. Try to get the jury to empathise with Travis and Bryan that they were helping out Greg and not letting him tackle a potentially armed criminal by himself. Difficult without their testimony but we can get Greg to state why he wanted Travis to accompany him.



    4. Establish with Greg that when he saw Arbery running from the house he (correctly) assumed it was from a current burglary he had just committed. This will really be the crux of the matter, Greg’s initial statements will count against him in a strict legal sense as you have correctly stated but he can elaborate upon them on the stand.



    5. Talk about the actual confrontation, Arbery’s actions, how he felt when he saw Travis being attacked, what Arbery’s demeanour was etc.
     
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    they did not use lethal force until he attacked them

    he was unarmed and racist.
     
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    It was you who added that description, it fits Arbery to a T except for the tatts but you couldn't see them at that distance (and they could have been removed/temporary). They're right that he had previously entered the house and they had RGTS that it was to steal. No, it is repellent to use the N word (unless you are in Blazing Saddles. Chris Rock or a rap artist) but Travis swore at him after Arbery viciously attacked him and tried to shoot him with his own gun, it's like Trayvon Martin referring to Zimmerman as a 'cracker'. Yes, saw him running from the direction of English's house and correctly suspected he'd been burgling it again. They didn't, all they wanted to do was detain him for the police, they could have shot him at any time but didn't, it was only when Arbery attacked Travis and tried to shoot him with his own gun. Maybe it was the other burglars or maybe it was Arbery? Either way it and the previous sighting more than justified them carrying weapons.

    THEIR actions say no such thing, they went to confront a suspected armed burglar, how is that not heroic?
     
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    It's almost comical, smfh.

    [Quite]it fits Arbery to a T except for the tatts but you couldn't see them at that distance (and they could have been removed/temporary).[/quote]

    That lame description fits half the black men in this country.
    Why, the homeowner stated that he hadn't stolen anything.
    It was shown in court that Travis used the word constantly in his social media.


     
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    That lame description fits half the black men in this country.

    Why, the homeowner stated that he hadn't stolen anything.

    It was shown in court that Travis used the word constantly in his social media.[/QUOTE]

    Yes you are. Not at all, I'm sure there's plenty of old, fat, short black men in America with long hair? You don't need to steal anything for burglary, just enter with intent to steal. True but that's not relevant on the day, he only said it once AFTER Arbery tried to shoot him with his own gun.

    Oh, it's okay for a black person to use a racist slur but not a white person?

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation...,a police report obtained by the PBS NewsHour.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...allegedly-entered-shooting-might-not-n1205191

    Yes I do, they went out to confront a burglar, every piece of evidence sustains this fact. They didn't have their guns drawn, they just kept saying to Arbery they wanted to talk to him but knowing he had once again been in the house he refused, he knew exactly why they were chasing him.

    They're in jail to appease the mob, you somehow think the fact they are in jail means they're automatically guilty? No one murdered anyone, Arbery attacked Travis and he shot him in self defence.
     
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    Pretty sure there is, I don't recall claiming that lame description fit EVERY black man in America. It fits many, I see you moved away from the white shorts though. Progress.
    I guess that is why the police called it trespassing, since he wasn't intending to steal anything.
    That wasn't the first time he had used the word, his social media proved that.
    Who said that?

    A Satilla Shores resident told The Brunswick News they had seen him jogging several times in the neighborhood off of the U.S. Route 17 where he was killed.

    Graddy said her client wants to "correct the mistaken impression" that English had shared the video or any other information about what had occurred at the property with the McMichaels before the shooting or at all. English had only briefly met the younger McMichael once in 2019, when he went to the construction site to introduce himself, Graddy said.

    The links you are posting are in NO way backing up what you are claiming, they are actually doing just the opposite.

    Produce it.
    He didn't to say a word to them, they were not the police. Travis jumped out of his vehicle with shotgun in hand.

    They are in jail because they unlawfully murder a man, they will have their day in court.
    That wishful thinking isn't going to work.
     
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    White shorts? So you admit the description fitted Arbery? You have to trespass in order to commit burglary. True but irrelevant, that was not his motivation here. You did, you apply a double standard given the colour of someone's skin. Possibly so but how is that relevant? True but it had been featured on the neighbourhood Facebook and other social media. As proven by the links I've posted. Their phone calls to the police, their statements, CCTV, everything sustains the fact they were pursuing a burglar. Any reasonable person would have explained themselves, Arbery acted like a guilty man because he was, of course Travis brought his shotgun with him, he was confronting a potentially armed burglar. But it was Arbery who attacked Travis and tried to shoot him with his own gun.

    They're in jail to appease the mob, this is what the criminal justice system has been reduced to. These are the facts, you see on the film Arbery attack Travis and grab his gun but because of the colour of Arbery's skin you think he should somehow be treated differently?
     
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    I admit it fit half of the black men in America.

    You have to actually steal something for it to be a burglary.

    You know that how?

    Your making it up as you go, because you know what you are posting makes no sense.

    The links you posted pretty much proved that the McMicheals and Bryan broke the law. Arbery acted like a man who was in fear of his life, Travis pulled a gun on a UNARMED man while he was trying to act as if he was a LE officer which was illegal and is why he is charged with murder.

    These 3 racists ran down and unarmed man and murdered him. You can continue to make excuses and bring these weak arguments which amount to nothing. Anyone with common sense can look at the evidence and see this for exactly what it is, murder.
     
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    No you don't, all you need to do is trespass with intent to steal. I know that because Greg McMichael called Travis saying he'd spotted the guy responsible for the break ins in the neighbourhood and didn't even mention his race. It is true and you know it, you see this as a racial incident because the trio were white and Arbery black, I say it simply shouldn't matter what colour people were. How did the trio break the law exactly? Arbey acted like a crazy man (he did have a mental health record), any sane person would just have explained themselves, instead he attacks Travis and tries to shoot him with his own gun. He is allowed to make a citixen's arrest but hadn't even done that at this point, Arbery didn't even give him the chance to speak before attacking him. They are charged with murder to appease the mob, hopefully they will get off at court. I bring the truth to this discussion, this is clearly 3 men attempting a citizen's arrest with one forced to kill the suspect in self defence after he attacks him,
     
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    Please explain how you know his intent was to steal when he NEVER stole anything.

    When did the police establish that Arbery was responsible for the break ins in the neighborhood? How do we know that one of that whites that were burglarizing the house wasn't repsponsible for it. How do we know what Greg said to Travis when he ran in the house? Is there a recording of it?

    Well when one of the whites were using the Nword that pretty much explains it for what it is.

    Took the law into their own hands and murdered an unarmed man.

    What a crock, anybody would have feared for their life in that situation.

    What law did Greg see Arbery break? If I see you jogging down the street can I grab my gun and approach you with it?

    They are charged with murder because they murdered an unarmed man, you want them to get off because you see all black men as criminals which is sick.

    You bring BS to this discussion, your defense or excuses for these 3 racists is a disgrace.

    Sorry, you can't grab your guns, jump in your vehicle, chase a man through the streets when you have NO AUTHORITY, murder him and claim self defense. Even if the man is black, these 3 racist are going down and I pray that is sends a clear message to folks like you.
     
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    his intent became clear when he did not follow lawful orders.

    the castle doctrine allows citizen arrest on private property.
     
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    You don't have PBARD but you certainly have RGTS. He fitted the description of the suspect and was seen fleeing from the scene and refusing to speak to them when they attempted to speak to him. That's what Greg said in his deposition. No it doesn't, if Arbery had used the terms cracker or honky it would not mean he was in the wrong. They defended themselves against a suspected burglar who attacked one of them and tried to shoot him with his own gun. Arbery knew exactly why they wanted to question him, Greg had seen the CCTV of the previous incidents and Arbery knew he had been spotted prior to this. I don't see all black men as criminals you see all whites as racists. I'm not making excuses for anyone, you just won't accept the facts because they clash with your prejudice.
     
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    Greg saw him jogging down the street, he doesn't know where that young man was coming or going. Also he didn't have to say anything to them, you think because they are white they had some type of authority that he had to.
    How many folks just refer to someone white or black as a Nword Cword.
    Sorry that garbage isn't going to fly, you can't just see a black man and label as a suspect.
    Where did Greg see this, English said he never showed them any CCTV.

    The ones who murder black folks and call them the Nword.
    You haven't posted ANY facts, all we get from you is opinion and made up BS.
     
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    They exceeded their authority. As far as I know, they didn't own the street, either.

    But you get my coveted Hallucination of the Day award.
     
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    he had probable cause to make the citizen's arrest on private property, the black man was a known robber in the community.
     
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    They don't have to own the street and it's hardly exceeding your authority to detain a suspected burglar for the police and then shoot him when he attacks you.
     
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    He fitted the description of the suspect and was fleeing the scene, where do you get this "They thought they had power to do this because they were white" nonsense? Well Treyvon Martin did? No one saw a black man and labelled him a suspect, he fitted the description, fleeing the area and it turns out they were 100% right. English put the images on the neighbourhood social media and no one murdered anyone. Squealing at me doesn't change the facts, come on, give it up, give up your racism, prejudice and hypocrisy, embrace the truth.
     
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    Half the black men in America fit that description and what scene was he fleeing from? It has been established by your own link that neighbors saw him JOGGING through the neighborhood. Also what CRIME did Greg McMichael see him commit?

    Is it nonsense, why didn't these superheroes EVER confront any of the white burglars who were in the house?

    That case is what makes you think you just go out and confront black folks because your white.

    Now you are just reaching, you have no defense for these 3 racist you're just making up BS.

    Post where English did that. Your arguement is a joke and anyone with any common sense can see that and that is the reason these 3 racist are sitting in the clink.
     
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    Well said, here's hoping they get to stay there for years.
     
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    The scene of the burglary and I doubt all black men look like Arbery (stereotype much), the other neighbours may have seen him previously jogging but the trio didn't, they suspected him of burglary having seen the footage of the previous events on facebook. They never saw white suspect fleeing the scene. No, you can perform a citizens arrest if you have RGTS no matter what your colour. They saw a suspect fleeing the scene of previous burglaries who matched the description of the suspect and they were proven correct.

    https://www.news4jax.com/news/georg...mentioned-in-the-ahmaud-arbery-investigation/

    Happy now?

    My ARGUMENT is sound and anyone with common sense can see that, you're just a racist who is desperate to play the victim, you hate these poor guys because they're white and they're sitting in the clink because folks like you are threatening to riot if they weren't. Come on, give yo your racism, hypocrisy and prejudice, embrace the truth,
     
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    I doubt it, hopefully they'll be released before even making it to trial, the anti-BLM backlash is gathering pace,
     

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