A better way to choose candidates

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Should we change the voting system?

  1. Yes, to a transferable vote

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  2. Yes, make both primaries open to all voters

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  3. Yes, give immigrants the vote

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  4. No, leave the electoral system as it is

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  1. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    At present we pick which ever of the two main party candidates
    we guess might be less bad.

    In Trump vs Clinton we evidentially got the lessor of the two
    evils and the war in Ukraine stayed a low-level conflict for
    four years, and no big wars were started anywhere.

    In Trump vs Biden we thought based on his long Senate
    history of sleeping, that Biden would be a time when
    nothing big happened but some progress would be made
    in some social policies.

    Now the situation is so bad that although I approved of
    Trump I'm not sure he can fix it, and obviously nor can
    Biden because his neocons created it.

    The choice for the President is between two unpopular
    candidates.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If some of the voting public see a big problem with
    one candidate, and others see a big problem with
    another, that creates an impasse, a stalemate,
    which is resolved by the existing voting system.

    But what happens when a candidate is acceptable
    to both left and right, but neither party will back them?

    Or to be more exact, the lobbyists won't back them?

    And except the one case where the candidate was
    self-financing, it really came down to the candidates
    whom the lobbying interests knew they would profit
    from the most.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Andrew Yang proposes a transferable vote as a means to fix
    the election process, he does it in just 10 minutes!

     
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    People keep trying to change the election process. They want to trash the electoral college and elect the president the way we chose prom king and queen in school.

    They want to allow a goofy process called "transferable vote".
    The quiet part of brandons open border plan gets said out loud, let ILLEGAL MIGRANTS vote.

    The only problem with the election process for president is thattrump has caused a lack of confidence in the process.

    Paper votes, in person voting and bring your ID.
    Problem solved.
     
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    Who do you think can actually fix it?
     
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    Your solution is what Trump wants. The change in the way we vote was due to Covid which Democrats pushed which caused many to doubt the election not just Trump.
     
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    My point is, people keep thinking we need to fix what has worked fine for 250 years.
    Most of the time its because they're still butt hurt over 2016.
    Their suggestions that they say will improve things won't.
     
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    The early voting and increased collection sites have made it easier to submit fake ballots. This was Trump’s concern in 2020. Hillary lost in 2016 because she got over confident and lazy. She assumed wrongly she had the votes in several blue states. Her loss had nothing to do with the past 250 years of voting procedures.
     
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    It’s time the MAGA voters get rid of the neocons, better known as GOPers. Neo-Democrats have taken over the party. The once party of peace and love have become the warmongers. Boomers who once fought the Establishment in the 60’s and 70’s are now the Establishment.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    never elect neocons -

    Neither Trump nor Obama before him were controlled by the neocons. The flame in Ukraine
    was kindled by Hillary Clinton and primarily by Victoria Nuland, but although VP Biden approved
    it, then President Obama would not back it, so for 7.5 years it was a 3 or 4 shells a day fired at
    Donetsk sort of war. The neocons were not getting the wars they wanted.

    Back in 2001 the Bush Jr Administration term one was run by the neocons, Cheney, Rumsfeld,
    Paul Wolfowitz all those.

    And now it is obvious from all the war-making right now that Biden is run by the neocons,
    Jake Sullivan, A Blinken, and until recently, Victoria Nuland.

    The neocons will run either party, whichever is weak enough. G W B term one because he
    didn't have much of a mandate and lacked supporters in Washington. Biden because he is
    a weak forgetful president.
     
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    We agree.
     
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    President Trump has a severe advantage over your average poilitician.
    His life is an open book, the press has been following him and documenting everything he has ever said or done. There is no mystery to be investigated and it is driving them crazier by the moment.
    That is why the laws keep getting changed or extensions to statute of limitations rearranged to fit their desire to frame him for something, anything that might disillusion his followers…..

    It Ain’t Working, quite the opposite.
     
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    I should have said, the entire Andrew Yang TED talk was only 10 min 39s long.

    He states how Alaska fixed the primary election problem by having the primary
    candidates all in one primary election, at time 5:40.
     
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    Are you talking about ranked choice voting? That's not really a fix. In fact, it can be used by both red states and blue states to further eliminate their competition from the other party, subverting democracy.
     
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    Well stated. Polls are starting to show even liberals are tired of this. They want to get on with the election and hear from both candidates. We are only 6 months away from the election.
     
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    Republicans have only won the popular vote three times over the past 40 years so they will NEVER give up their only way of forcing their unpopular and misguided policies on Americans.
     
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    Go back to when there were no primaries and the party's choose their own candidates at their conventions. I remember watching them on the black and white TV with the rabbit ear antennas trying to get a good picture.
     
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    There is not and never has been a popular vote for the President in the United States. That is a total canard. There will not be a popular vote this November. There will be 51 totally unique and different votes, some of them popular some of them distributive, and to win the office you must when a combination of those which get you the majority of the EC votes as distributed amongst the states under The Great Compromise.

    To tally up all the votes of those 51 unique and separate elections and call it A national popular vote is and always has been folly statiscally and politically.
     
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    Had it been the other way around there would have been nary a cry about it out of them.
     
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    Works in my state. One thing I would like to add is a printed receipt for my vote that I can look at and verify which then would go in another stack and any challenges then the actual ballots and voter receipts can both be retallied.
     
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    A recept?
    Good idea.

    Voting in person is an inconvenience compared to mailing but it is less suseptible to fraud.

    Until Americans faith in the vote process is restored we are at risk.
     
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    What happens if Trump gets 40%, Biden 37% and RFK jr. gets 23%?

    Who becomes President?

    I would have more confidence in a transferable vote.
     
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    Well it depends on the electoral college, doesn't it?

    See, we don't elect our president the same way we elect prom queen and king.
     
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    Only a constitutional amendment. The public is not knowledgeable enough to do the HR work for the nation. While I despise the concept of political parties i would have the public vote for a party and let the parties do the HR work. I would require the parties to name the candidates prior to election. Just a thought.
     
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    An interesting thought, but they do that in Britain and it really doesn't work, because it is mostly a two party system and
    both parties aim for the middle, so they end up with pretty much identical policies, so there really is no choice.

    The present government favors war, apparently with anyone anywhere, just like Biden over here.
    The UK party in opposition has, the same policies...

    Could be an interesting election if someone does an end run and gets to where the public is,
    you might think, but they have the same crap media as we have, so the public thinks war is
    the only way to win, and they have made it very clear they will risk a nuclear war.

    Idiots. They should look at a map and see how small their country is.

    But maybe some will come to their senses and maybe it will be an interesting election.
     

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