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Judaism is a religion not a race too, anyone can become Jewish.

Many Jews do attack none Jews just as most Muslims don't attack none Muslims.

Your argument has no logic.

 

FALSE AND ABSURD ! "Many" Jews certainly do NOT attack non-Jews.

 

That terrorist organisation called the IDF do.

 

1. The IDF is NOT a terrorist organization. They represent the defense force of one small nation, surrounded by many millions stupid, hostile, Islamic lunatics.

2. They also don't qualify as "MANY" Jews.

 

I class them as terrorists and what they do is attack not defend.

I'm sure they can boast more members than Al Qaeda can.

 

And upon what basis do you class them as terrorists ? (realizing that whatever you say, you can bet I'm going to KNOW the other side of the story)

 

They use violent acts to instil fear in order to achieve a political and idealogical objective.

The classic definition of terrorism.

 

What violent acts to instill fear were those ?

 

The murder of nine unarmed aid workers on the Mavi Marmara for a start.

Apart from that just read the papers hardly a day goes by without another IDF terrorist incident.

 

In this video, it shows the people on the Mavi Marmara attacking the IDF personnel. If someone attacks me, you know what I do ? I shoot them.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo"]Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking IDF Soldiers - YouTube[/ame]

 

Hang on a tick, the Mavi Marmara didn't attack anyone, Israel attacked the Mavi Marmara. The aid workers from the Mavi Marmara didn't storm an Israeli ship, the Israelis stormed the Mavi Marmara.

So it looks like you think the aid workers on the Mavi Marmara were justified in trying to defend themselves.

 

Oh gee whiz, is that all it was ? Uh, didn't you forget something ? Suspicion of arms being smuggled on behalf of terrorist groups, violation of a naval blockade, violation of a request to be boarded, no humanitarian aid packages, Ho hum.

 

No, I didn't forget anything, Israel attacked an unarmed ship in international waters and murdered nine unarmed aid workers.

Everyone in the world who commits acts of terrorism makes lame excuses, doesn't stop it being terrorism though.

 

No, you didn't forget. You just CHOOSE TO IGNORE the facts that the ship was violating a nation's attempt to defend itself from these guys who were engaging in a hostile activity against it. As for your "international waters", hah ? Take a look at my logo. US Marines hoisting a US flag on the Japanese island of Iwo Jima in 1945. What would you call those waters ? Or how about the beaches of Normandy which allied forces stormed on D-Day, June 6, 1944. Some pretty international waters around those parts. Want to say they should have called it off because of "international waters" ?

And to call those thugs on the Mavi Marmara "unarmed" is laughable. They sure looked pretty armed in that video.

 

The ship was unarmed, there were no weapons on board when they left Turkey. The ship was not about to attack Israel, israel was in no imminent danger so self defence is no justification.

Like I said, every terrorist makes lame excuses for their acts of terrorism, yours are no different.

 

Attacking Israel wasn't the issue. Transporting supplies to terroists was and violating a naval blockade. Israel is a country at war and under seige. If a country at war sets up a naval blockade and you violate it, resulting in you getting your head handed to you, you asked for it. You are the one making lame excuses, and they are REJECTED.

 

War?

Who are Israel at war with?

 

LOL. You've got to be kidding. I guess you could say Iran, since Hezbollah and Hamas are their proxies. And now that Gaza is a state, you can throw them in too.

 

So you are saying that Israel recognises Palestine as a state.

 

I didn't say that, you said that.

 

Well if they consider themselves at war with them then they must consider them a state. Their fighters an army not terrorists. Rockets fired into Israel as legitimate acts of war.

 

No, not necessarily. War does not necessarily imply a state. The US is at war with al Qaeda and other radical Muslim groups. No state involved.

Acts of war are "legitimate" only if they have a moral cause. Islamists don't have that.

 

The war on terror you mean? Like the war on drugs before it that is just meaningless words designed to con the gullible.

Defence of your homeland from an occupying force is a moral cause.

 

Which is exactly what Israel and the USA are doing, and what hundreds of societies have done for 1400 years, ever since the genocidal, imperialist, abomination of Islam was created.

 

Don't be silly, how many Israeli Presidents or Prime Ministers have actually been born there?

Take a look at the worst atrocities of history, the genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Native American, the use of nuclear weapons against a civilian population, Stalin, Hitler, Imperial South Africa, none of it was down to Muslims.