A dire warning from the bench.

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  1. Ddyad

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    She said that Putin did meddle in the 2016 election which she still insists was "not on the level".

    NBC NEWS, POLITICS & POLICY
    Trump's denial is the Second Big Lie
    Millions of GOP voters are primed to distrust the midterm election results. But Democrats need to be honest about the consequences of their actions after the 2016 election.
    Nov. 7, 2022, 6:00 AM EST
    By Lev Golinkin

    Trump's denial is the Second Big Lie. Ask Hillary Clinton.
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    Nov 7, 2022 — ... Clinton, also three years later. She repeated this sentiment in 2020, telling The Atlantic the election ***“was not on the level,”*** and again ... (*** mine)
    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trumps-denial-second-big-lie-ask-hillary-clinton-rcna55764
     
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    2024 is not 2016 no mater how much you want it to be.
     
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    Read again. She is still insisting that the 2016 election was rigged 6 years later.

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    Nov 7, 2022 — ... Clinton, also three years later. She repeated this sentiment in 2020, telling The Atlantic the election ***“was not on the level,”*** and again ... (*** mine)
    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trumps-denial-second-big-lie-ask-hillary-clinton-rcna55764

    Why would any objective person insist that a candidate like HRC, whose campaign was caught redhanded rigging its own primaries in 2016, did not accuse the opposition of rigging the general election after seeing examples of her stating clearly that the election was "not on the level"?
     
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    2024 is not 2016 no mater how much you want it to be.
     
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    The Apparently Inconvenient Truth: H. Clinton has always insisted that the 2016 election was rigged and that Trump was not the legitimate President.

    “Four years earlier, the Hillary Clinton campaign and leading Democrats refused to acknowledge the outcome of the 2016 election, by claiming Donald Trump was not a legitimate president. These actions, while certainly not as dramatic or as immediately damaging as the events leading to Jan. 6 (and today), helped bring us to our current situation.
    “He lost the election and he was put into office because the Russians interfered on his behalf,” ex-President Jimmy Carter said in 2019, continuing to deny Trump’s victory three years after the election.
    “He knows he’s an illegitimate president,” said Clinton, also three years later. She repeated this sentiment in 2020, telling The Atlantic the election “was not on the level,” and again when she called Trump’s win illegitimate. She piled on to this by saying, “You can run the best campaign, you can even become the nominee, and you can have the election stolen from you,” clearly referring to how she saw her 2016 campaign.”
    NBC NEWS, POLITICS & POLICY, Trump's denial is the Second Big Lie, Millions of GOP voters are primed to distrust the midterm election results. ***But Democrats need to be honest about the consequences of their actions after the 2016 election***. (Emphasis mine)
    Nov. 7, 2022, 6:00 AM EST
    By Lev Golinkin
    Trump's denial is the Second Big Lie. Ask Hillary Clinton.
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    https://www.nbcnews.com › think › opinion › trumps-d...

    Nov 7, 2022 — ... Clinton, also three years later. She repeated this sentiment in 2020, telling The Atlantic the election ***“was not on the level,”*** and again ... (*** mine)
    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trumps-denial-second-big-lie-ask-hillary-clinton-rcna55764
     
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    Sorry no 2016 in this post.
     
  7. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump hit with gag order in New York hush money case after slamming judge

    A judge on Tuesday imposed a limited gag order on Donald Trump ahead of his criminal hush money trial in New York.

    Trump’s statements about various figures involved in the case “were threatening, inflammatory [and] denigrating,” Manhattan Supreme Court Judge Juan Merchan said in a court order.

    “Such inflammatory statements undoubtedly risk impeding the orderly administration of this Court,” Merchan ruled.

    The gag order bars Trump from making public statements about likely witnesses and jurors in the case.

    He must also refrain from speaking about lawyers in the case, court staff, employees in the Manhattan District Attorney’s office and their family members if those statements are made with the “intent to materially interfere” with the case.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/26/tru...ork-hush-money-case-after-slamming-judge.html

    Trump's mob clearly feel the ends justifies the means.
     
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    After many examples the left has provided, I don't believe that patter at this point in time.. You've heard of blind hatred right, this is how the DNC controls their electorate. Perfect example, they a blatantly engaging in fascist tactics and while a great many Americans sit back and cheer it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    We all get it, well a good many of watchful Americans get it, Trump is not the best the shitpile has to offer! But he's not the problem, it the fascist tactics the blinded are allowing to root.. It easy to get rid of a President, eight years and their gone... On the other hand, once you settle for Government overreach and power to attack our right and constitution that will be a life time repairing.. WE should have been smarter, WE should have worked together to hold the line, WE should have taught our young how important freedom is and the how dangerous the alternative is and the PAINS it will take to regain it once lost..

     
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    You a moderator now?
     
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    I don't know anything about that. But, in the case of Trump, it's anything but "blind". I just gave you the reasons why Trump is hated. It would be anti-human nature not to hate somebody who tortures children, abuses women, tries to overthrow a democratic government, praises murderous dictators, ...

    There HAS to be something wrong with anybody who doesn't hate somebody who has done even ONE of those things. It's exactly what HATE was created for.

    When W was in power, we were accused of hating him. We didn't.... We were always quick to point out that we just hated his policies. The case of Trump is completely different.
     
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    Strangely, I keep seeing sworn evidence of Trump repeatedly asking for 10K national guard troops to keep order on Jan. 6th, and being repeatedly turned down by Pelosi and other dems in authority. WHY do you suppose they would object? Perhaps same reason that these reports had to be dug out rather than coming forward openly, as in- that would mess with the plan and the narrative?

    You can only abuse power and law so long, and the left seems to be unaware they are over the line with it now.
     
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    The DOJ is investigating dozens of threats against election workers

    The Department of Justice is investigating dozens of threats made to election workers, federal officials said Monday, and has charged 20 individuals so far.

    “These are the first responders of democracy and we will continue to investigate and prosecute those who would threaten to do them harm,” said Gary Restaino, U.S. Attorney for the District of Arizona, at a press conference highlighting the recent convictions.

    Thirteen of the 20 charged individuals have been convicted. Of the ten who have been sentenced already, seven have received prison sentences of more than 18 months, “signaling how serious federal courts are taking this conduct,” said John Keller, a DOJ official who leads day-to-day operations of the agency’s Election Threats Task Force.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/el...ng-dozens-threats-election-workers-rcna145014

    The DoJ is trying to protect those your Dear Leader would intimidate in pursuit of doing their civic duty.
     
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    That's great news, I'm sure they will serve you/us well. Then again, you seem to be blaming your fellow American, so the serving may be their advantage.
     
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    That about sums it up ;) Can't correct what can't be recognized, enjoy..
     
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    I read over your reply a few times. I still don't know what you're trying to say. Let me be clear about what I'm saying.

    Trump is a clear and present danger to the country. One of the ways that manifests itself is how his words and actions have resulted in his supporters making threats of violence against election workers. Another way is how his gaslighting has caused faith in the integrity of elections to erode. Attacking election integrity is an attack on the essence of our democracy. Which is exactly why it is so important to him and his goal.
     
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    I understand, but thanks for making my point..
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have to say I'm surprised at your change of heart. Good for you.
     
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    You're welcome..
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just to explore this a little further, if you don't mind, what changed your mind about Trump? Something specific or just his withering efforts to subvert the rule of law and institutional norms of democracy over time?
     
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    YOU, all those long winded propaganda novels beat me down.. I have become part of the hive..
     
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    Ah yes the concerns of "threats of widespread violence" by those "white supremacists" that never materialize by the people that spent years burning the country down and actually harming people.

    All the left has is projection of their violence.
     
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    Real Hate:

    “In a conversation with another individual on Discord, Roske claimed that he was going to prevent the Supreme Court from overturning Roe v. Wade. When asked what he was going to do, Roske said he planned to "remove some people" from the court. "I could get at least one, which would change the votes for decades to come, and I am shooting for 3," he added, per the affidavit.

    More details: Prior to the attempted attack, Roske had also sought advice online.”
    AXIOS, Man charged with attempted murder of Kavanaugh spoke of killing other justices, By Julie Shapero, Jul 29, 2022 .
    https://www.axios.com/2022/07/29/roske-attempted-murder-kavanaugh-fbi-affidavit
     
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    Nor is it 2020.
     
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