A double miracle occurred in 1948.

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  1. tmount

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    A double miracle occurred in 1948. The Alm-ghty saved the Jews of the new State of Israel from the Arabs -- and from themselves.

    The greatest blessing to befall the Jews as their state came into being was the wild, panic-stricken, apparently illogical, irrational flight of the Arabs from the territory of the fledgling state. Against all reason and contrary to their own interests, more than 500,000 Arabs fled, ridding the State of Israel of a huge minority that would have destroyed it from within. The blessing was a particularly difficult one for the G-d of Israel to shower upon His people, since, as so often in the past, they went to extraordinary lengths to attempt to reject it.

    Had the Arabs remained, fully 40 percent of the new nation would have been Arab. The pitiful economic machinery of the state could not possibly have absorbed a million refugees in a decade. Between a quarter and a third of the Knesset would have been immediately Arab. A fifth column and social tensions of massive proportions would have developed. Many, many Jews who eventually did come to live in Israel would not have, in view of the bombings and civil strife that would have resulted. It was a divine blessing, an unexpected gift that even a child could understand and be grateful for.

    But the Jews of Israel? Consider. The mixed Arab-Jewish city of Haifa fell to the Haganah, the Jewish defense force, on April 22, 1948. Panic seized the Arabs; the first exodus began. The Jews pleaded with them to stay, offering to continue the equal binational municipal council. The Arabs would not listen. The exodus became a wild and irrational flight. Haifa Jews faced the joyful prospect of a Jewish city, free of tension and communal war. Their reaction was recorded on April 26, 1948, by the British chief of police of Haifa, A. J. Bridmead: "Every effort is being made by the Jews to persuade the Arab populace to stay and carry on with their normal lives . ..." It had become a race between two irrational groups, each working against its own interests. The question was: Who would win by losing?

    On April 28 the Jews made a determined effort to prove that they were madder than their enemies. The Workers' Council printed thousands of fliers to be distributed to the fleeing Arabs which read, in part: "Do not destroy your own homes with your own hands and do not bring unnecessary tragedy upon yourselves by unnecessary evacuation and self-imposed burdens. By moving out you will be overtaken by poverty and humiliation. But in this city, yours and ours, Haifa, the gates are open for work, for life, and for peace, for you and your families."

    No amount of Jewish suicidal tendencies could help them. Haifa's Arabs were determined to destroy themselves, and they fled with no one in pursuit. Marie Syrkin, writing in Commentary magazine (January 1966), described the incredible scene: "... 60,000 Haifa Arabs began to flock wildly toward the port, seeking to escape by any craft available. Families crouched for days on the docks. ... This was a headlong stampede in which people seem to have jumped suddenly from a dinner table, from bed, or from their work, driven by an impulse to flee."

    In town after town, the glorious, irrational Arab flight occurred. Tiberias's 6,000 Arabs stunned the 2,000 Jews on April 18 by suddenly fleeing. The Jewish community council issued a statement declaring: "We did not dispossess them; they themselves chose this course. But the day will come when the Arabs will return to their homes and property in this town. In the meantime, let no citizen touch their property."

    Hal Lehrman attests to this general Jewish attitude: "In the beginning, no one could conceive of a new Israel without a large Arab population. Even when they were already in full flight, the eventual return of most of the Arabs was taken for granted." Indeed, every official Israeli information sheet and all the Zionist writers go out of their way to emphasize that the Arab flight was neither caused by nor desired by the Jews. An inexplicable people.

    In 1978 Israel was rocked by a bitter debate over a film called Hirbet Hiza, which depicted the expulsion of Arabs from their village in 1948. The debate raged over whether such a thing could actually have happened. One side said it did happen; the other vigorously denied it or said that if it had occurred, "it was unrepresentative, not typical." The underlying assumption of both camps was that such an expulsion was "immoral." It is that kind of perverted "immorality" that has brought Israel to the brink of catastrophe. If there is any room for the wringing of hands, it is over the fact that the Jews did not understand the need for Hirbet Hiza. They, by their misplaced mercy, have brought potential cruelty and tragedy down on Israel and its Jews.

    The G-d of Israel continued to compel His foolish children to accept miracles. In Safad no fewer than 14,000 Arabs faced 1,500 Jews, mostly elderly religious Jews. One night the Arabs were there and the next morning they were gone.

    All kinds of reasons for the flight of the Arabs are given by the very secular Jews, who in their own brand of irrationality wished them to remain: the Arab leaders ordered it; the British instigated it; the Irgun "massacre" at Dir Yassin panicked them; they left to make it easier for the Arab armies to sweep through. There were a hundred different "explanations," but not one explains the real, irrational panic that swept areas in which Arabs controlled the countryside and in which there was no fighting. It is hard for the secularist to recognize a miracle, since in running from it his back is usually to it.

    By May 15, 1948 -- the end of the British Mandate and the proclamation of the Jewish state -- some 200,000 Arabs had left. Jaffa added 70,000 who joined the panicky flight, and the city of Tel Aviv was thus saved from the perpetual nightmare of having more than 80,000 bitter enemies on its doorstep. In the next few months another 300,000 joined the rest.

    A miracle had indeed taken place; the majority of the Arabs had fled. A golden opportunity was at hand to clear the country of its enemies and save it from the tragedy of today. After all, what more natural thing than to rid the land of people who massacred Jews throughout the twenties and thirties and who had vowed to wipe the Jewish state off the map as soon as it was born? What would any other people have done under the same circumstances? We need not look very far for the answer.

    (From within the book "They must Go")
     
  2. moon

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    I suggest that 1948 events do not constitute ' Latest World News ' and that this ' thread ' should be slung in the chute to the Weird Beliefs forum.
     
  3. tmount

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    Its all related
     
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    Yes moon, end the unjust occupation. :fart:
     
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    Great picture and contrast.

    Quantrill
     
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    Many arabs were removed forcibly from their lands by IDF forces. Israeli war crimes hardly constitute a miracle.
     
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    tmount if that was a miracle, then it is time for another. Peace. If you can't make it happen who can? I cannot believe that your God would want his people to go to their graves fighting over who has the biblical rights to this land of His.
     
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    There will never be peace when the leaders of Gaza do not punish, but endorse violence against Israeli's so their precious "aid" won't stop coming in to fill their personnel coffers.
     
  9. Misguided

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    Its a pointless graph that no one should fall for. Are you proposing because the amount of stolen land is insignificant it doesn't matter?

    If that's the case, should North America allow some of its land be stolen?

    Your logic is absurd and deeply flawed, but i'm sure you know this.
     
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    Your right, i am sure there are elements of Palestinians who do not wish for the peace because they are profiting from war. But be honest, there are more Israelis profiteering from it than Palestinians.
     
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    The Jews own all of Europe and North America. They have a speck of stolen holy land in the middle east.
     
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    Actually there were at least three miracles in 1948 - because that's the year I, the YUKON man, was born !
     
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    No, whats being proposed is the vast amount of Arabs against Israel, yet Israel always wins. Miraculous.

    Quantrill
     
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    IMO - It'll be a bl00-dy miracle when Jews (i.e. AshkeNazis) cease behaving like - Ubermenche - learn to live in peace with their neighbours , try making friends instead of going out of their way making enemies.

    On the otherhand , by pretending to be victims whose very existence is threatened by zillions of bloobthirsty heathn arabs , is the only way they can extract billions of Tax dollars from America, without which they wouldnt last 6 months. Dumb Yankee Goys . hehehehe .

    tatty-byeee.
     
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    LOL, you are not an aboriginal, are you? You stole the entire continent, don't ever forget that. In fact Australia, North and South Americas were all conquered, in this respect Israel is 100 times more legitimate as it was created by the UN. The land was not stolen, it was partitioned and the Arabs who remained loyal (or at least neutral) to their new state retained their property, full citizenship rights and prospered.

    That the Arab world declared war on Israel the moment it was established, tried to wipe it off the map and failed is their problem and they have only themselves to blame. They started a war that they lost, there is always a price to pay when that happens.
     
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    We haven't forgotten that in Australia. Did you know the indigenous people of Australia get the exact same rights as the rest of Australians. We also don't participate in scrupulous behavior where one type of person gets preference for funding/schooling access to roads/water based upon their race/religion.

    The Australian government also doesn't stop people from living where they like and the only checkpoint that you will find in my country is checkpoints for Fruit.

    Would you like me to continue?

    The difference between Israel and Australia? We have recognized the wrong doing in our past and have created a society where people are equal in the eyes of the law, but most importantly those laws are also practiced equally.
     
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    LOL, you are serious, aren't you? You conquered their continent, you stole their land (all of it), you murdered almost all of them, you forced the remaining few of them to assimilate, you marginalized them financially and in all other respects...now you are so f&*ing proud of yourself because they have "equal rights". Never mind that Their average standard of living and life expectancy, however, are not comparable with that of most Australians. In 1999 the Australian government issued an official expression of regret for past mistreatment of aborigines but, concerned that it would encourage claims for compensation, did not issue the formal national apology sought by aboriginal leaders until 2008, when the government was led by Prime Minister Kevin. The hypocrisy is simply staggering and disgusting.


    For the record the Israeli land was not stolen, it was assigned to Israel by the UN, Israeli arabs do have full rights, they can serve in the IDF and enjoy full veteran benefits (few do though), there are arab members of the Government, arab members of Knesset, arab mayors, arab parties, the Arabic is one of Israel's two official languages, they are completely free to practice Islam, have full access to the Israeli legal system, they have more freedoms, liberties and opportunities than they do in most of the Western Europe and definitely the entire Muslim world.

    PS I have nothing against Australia, it's a wonderful country and wonderful people, my problem is not with them but with misguided morons who live in glass houses and throw stones.
     
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    Yes your information is mostly correct. In out country we don't shy away from this. Like i said they are equal in the laws and most importantly those laws are are applied equally. The indigenous problem of Australia is appalling, but the Australian government is continuously trying to find ways to improve it.

    Are you going to honestly tell me that the Arabs have equals rights in Arab and that they are applied equally? Secondly Israel has no right to claim the west bank and their settlements are tantamount to racism. Here you have a society that expels, controls a population in the West Bank and allows only Israeli Jews to move into certain zone. Israel acts like it owns the west bank but doesn't want the people that belong too it, unless they are Jewish.

    I think you will find that must anti-Zionist accept Israel, the state that was created in 1948, but they do not agree with the racist colonial expansion Israel, that only accepts a person of one religion/race because every civilized western society has stopped those barbaric/racist policies.

    The average standard of living is not equal in Israel either, its just as skewed, but at least in Australia we have freedom of movement, freedom of choice, equal laws THAT are applied equally.
     
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    Dumb map. How many of those nations are Arabic? Nine out of 19 shown, but the idiot right probably believes Turkey and Azerbaijan to be Arabic!
     
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    Why are you people so obsessed with the Jews ?
     
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    Well said Cobber , there's an enormous difference between present day Australia + the appaling conditions of non-Jewish Palestinians . While the australian govt has done + continue doing , raising /improving Aboriginal living standards , the Israel govt has done their utmost to deprive /lower/crush non-Jewish Palestinians living standards.

    However , it's interesting , how Zionasties employ diversion/deflective tactics to cover up Israel's discrimination - abhorrent treatment of non-Jewish Palestinians .

    ... Goodonya.:)
     
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    You destroyed virtually all ingenious population, you stole all their land, they are no threat to you now, they are not fighting back, they are not blowing themselves up in malls and restaurants, you are not surrounded by 20 aborigines states refusing to recognize your legitimacy and threatening daily to annihilate you. It's a bit easy for you now that they are all dead to express your regrets, to make amends, to be self-righteous, smug and moralizing...it's also a bit too late to grow conscience too.

    I have no problem with Australia(or the US, or Canada or South America). It was a different age and the rules were different then. But you are comparing your situation after you stole every inch of land and murdered everyone who could ever possibly have opposed you with Israel's situation which could have done the same thing but did not, which is outnumbered 70:1, occupies 0.15% of the regional land and is surrounded by a wall of hatred and hostility. Such comparisons are disingenuous and intellectually dishonest.

    PS Yes, Israeli arabs do have equal rights in Israel, freedom of speech, religion, freedom to travel, to vote and be elected etc. Unless you have an evidence of Israeli laws that discriminate against its non-jewish citizens your accusations are without merit.
     
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    Australia, Canada, the US etc murdered all their enemies and took all their land. Having dispatched all their enemies into eternity they are hardly in position to moralize and lecture Israel on how to deal with Israel's enemies who happen to be alive and kicking, who are still hell-bent on Israel's destruction, who still own 99.85% of the Middle East and outnumber jews 70 to 1.
     
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    BO _ RAT , if you dont think we've come a long way since then and just trying to use it as justification for what the Zionists Jews have done since in 20th Century , then your mind is seriously *ucked up.

    The earlier settlers of Australia, Canada + US werent ... pay attention .... theyb werent at that time signatories to UNITED NATIONS - Geneva or any other fikkin CONVENTIONS .

    Do you think you can get your fikkin little BO-RAT brain around that ?

    I've been told Jews + Rats are supposed to be intelligent , why the feck are you as you are ?
     
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    We have indeed come a long way since then (Israel's enemies unfortunately have not). That's why Israel has not done to its enemies what Americans and Australians did to theirs. The simple point I was making - people who live in glass houses should not throw stones. People who "solved" all their problems by brutally wiping out all their enemies should not moralize and lecture those who chose not to do that and who still suffer daily threats and attacks because of their humanism and benevolence.
     

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