A glimpse into the mindset of the Islamic Jihad

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  1. Flyflicker

    Flyflicker New Member

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    This was aired on "60 Minutes" yesterday.



    60 Minutes' Clarissa Ward interviewed Choudary. Here is an excerpt from that interview. If you missed the program, you can follow the link above to read/view the whole thing.



    Chilling.

    What to you think?
     
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    Islamist Militants Are Setting Off to Wage Jihad by Boarding Cruise Ships...
    :omg:
    Would-be ISIS militants on cruise ships to Syria
    Friday, 7 November 2014 ~ Would-be jihadist fighters are increasingly booking tickets on cruise ships to join extremists in battle zones in Syria and Iraq, hoping to bypass stepped-up efforts to thwart them in neighboring Turkey, Interpol officials have told The Associated Press.
     
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    My wife and I watched this intently. I am a republican, my wife a democrat from New York City. Some would say she could be extreme left. However, each time we watch some of these news shows about jihadists or something similar on 60 Minutes, I see her attitude change just a little more towards the right.

    60 Minutes is one of my wife's favorite programs and the only 'news' she watches. Watching this coward during the interview just adds fuel to the fire and I see her slowly gaining respect for my points of view. We never argue politics. I respect her views and she does the same.

    One example I can think of was my wife's views of Guantanamo and the release of the "prisoners". She was all for releasing these prisoners (monsters in my eyes) back into society. Slowly my wife has now turned to have views that does recognize these monsters for what they are, robots of Muhammad. Easy to understand these points when 60 Minutes or other sources lays them out for her.

    New York City is my wife's home. She hated the fact that these mooslims like the one on 60 Minutes destroyed thousands of her friends, family and coworkers lives in 2001. Again though, she had the mindset of a typical New Yorker with views of welfare and other resources being available for those in need. I do not need to explain these New Yorker views to members here on PF, you know the characterization I am generalizing upon.

    So in ending, I want to thank 60 Minutes for making my wife and others perhaps, see the realization of things and putting it out there in black and white and in high def color on my 60" Samsung, what the real world is like.
     
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    If they want to get there badly enough, it seems that there is a way. Why anyone raised in Europe or the US would be willing to go fight for the likes of ISIS is difficult to understand until you do realize that they are being raised by people with the same mindset as the jihadi who was interviewed in the 60 minutes link.

    But 300 from China? Really, China? How could any Muslim immigrate to China and keep their culture and religion? That's just mind boggling.
     
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    No more chilling than the Obamanation’s knee-jerk response to Benghazi.

    "The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of [Anjem Choudary]." (Clinton)

    "We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of [Anjem Choudary]." (Obama)

    “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.” (John 8:44)

    “Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
    Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
    Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
    Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
    Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
    Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. “

    ******

    Official Statecraft of the United States of America, the first one was posted on the State Department's website:

    "The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others." (Clinton)

    "We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others." (Obama)

    “Let me state very clearly that the United States has absolutely nothing to do with this video. We absolutely reject its contents.” (Clinton) http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...-pakistan-ad-denouncing-anti-muslim-film?lite

    Contents:

    “[Elder Woman] Source: LYBIO.net
    My age has exceeded 120 years and in all my young life ‘I haven’t seen such a murderous thug as Muhammad’. He kills men, captures women and children, robs the caravans, breaches agreements and treaties. He sells the children as slaves after he and his men have used them. And what’s more, he does this all in the name of God. What God is this? That he’s such an oppressor and so unfair to the people.” http://lybio.net/tag/innocence-of-muslims-muhammad-movie-transcription/

    Evidence:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caravan_raids

    (3) Narrated 'Urwa on the authority of 'Aisha: On the days of Mina, (11th, 12th, and 13th of Dhul-Hijjah) Abu Bakr came to her while two young girls were beating the tambourine and the Prophet was lying covered with his clothes. Abu Bakr scolded them and the Prophet uncovered his face and said to Abu Bakr, "Leave them, for these days are the days of 'Id and the days of Mina." 'Aisha further said, "Once the Prophet was screening me and I was watching the display of black slaves in the Mosque and ('Umar) scolded them. The Prophet said, 'Leave them. O Bani Arfida! (carry on), you are safe (protected)'." (Book #15, Hadith #103)


    "(3) Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection." (Book #62, Hadith #137)"


    Volume 4, Book 52, Number 191:

    Narrated Abdullah bin Abbas:
    "He said, 'Do the noble or the poor follow him?' I replied, 'It is the poor who follow him.' He said, 'Are they increasing or decreasing (day by day)?' I replied,' They are increasing.' He said, 'Does anybody amongst those who embrace his (the Prophet's) Religion become displeased and then discard his Religion?'. I replied, 'No. ' He said, 'Does he break his promises? I replied, 'No, but we are now at truce with him and we are afraid that he may betray us." Abu Sufyan added, "Other than the last sentence, I could not say anything against him. Caesar then asked, 'Have you ever had a war with him?' I replied, 'Yes.' He said, 'What was the outcome of your battles with him?' I replied, 'The result was unstable; sometimes he was victorious and sometimes we.' He said, 'What does he order you to do?' I said, 'He tells us to worship Allah alone, and not to worship others along with Him, and to leave all that our fore-fathers used to worship. He orders us to pray, give in charity, be chaste, keep promises and return what is entrusted to us.'"

    "[4.142] Surely the hypocrites strive to deceive Allah, and He shall requite their deceit to them, and when they stand up to prayer they stand up sluggishly; they do it only to be seen of men and do not remember Allah save a little."

    "[5.58] And when you call to prayer they make it a mockery and a joke; this is because they are a people who do not understand."

    "[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

    Perfect prayer, to be seen of men, was used as a visual means to keep the conquered in line; it is necessary for the arts of war, like a uniform.

    “Muhammad then approached the Banu Qaynuqa, gathering them in the market place and addressing them as follows,

    ‘O Jews, beware lest God bring on you the like of the retribution which he brought on Quraysh. Accept Islam, for you know that I am a prophet sent by God. You will find this in your scriptures and in God's covenant with you.[14]’”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bani_Qainuqa

    “[2.40] O children of Israel! call to mind My favor which I bestowed on you and be faithful to (your) covenant with Me, I will fulfill (My) covenant with you; and of Me, Me alone, should you be afraid.
    [2.41] And believe in what I have revealed, verifying that which is with you, and be not the first to deny it, neither take a mean price in exchange for My communications; and Me, Me alone should you fear.
    [2.42] And do not mix up the truth with the falsehood, nor hide the truth while you know (it).
    [2.43] And keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and bow down with those who bow down.”
    “[2.83] And when We made a covenant with the children of Israel: You shall not serve any but Allah and (you shall do) good to (your) parents, and to the near of kin and to the orphans and the needy, and you shall speak to men good words and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate. Then you turned back except a few of you and (now too) you turn aside.”

    Islam is not a faith:

    "Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others.” (Obama)

    “One day while the Prophet was sitting in the company of some people, (The angel) Gabriel came and asked, "What is faith?" Allah's Apostle replied, 'Faith is to believe in Allah, His angels, (the) meeting with Him, His Apostles, and to believe in Resurrection." Then he further asked, "What is Islam?" Allah's Apostle replied, "To worship Allah Alone and none else, to offer prayers perfectly to pay the compulsory charity (Zakat) and to observe fasts during the month of Ramadan."
    http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/bukhari/bh1/bh1_46.htm

    http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/...rces/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/002.sbt.html

    As we see Islam is not faith. Christians have faith, Islam has the military order "to offer prayers perfectly," and the government's compulsory taxes.

    Volume 4, Book 52, Number 191:

    ..."In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful (This letter is) from Muhammad, the slave of Allah, and His Apostle, to Heraculius, the Ruler of the Byzantine. Peace be upon the followers of guidance. Now then, I invite you to Islam (i.e. surrender to Allah), embrace Islam and you will be safe; embrace Islam and Allah will bestow on you a double reward. But if you reject this invitation of Islam, you shall be responsible for misguiding the peasants (i.e. your nation). O people of the Scriptures! Come to a word common to you and us and you, that we worship. None but Allah, and that we associate nothing in worship with Him; and that none of us shall take others as Lords besides Allah. Then if they turn away, say: Bear witness that we are (they who have surrendered (unto Him)..(3.64)"...

    [2.42] “And do not mix the truth with falsehood or conceal the truth while you know [it].”

    The fact is that the United States has never been a nation that respects all faiths; can you spell Digambara? Congress is forbidden from establishing religion, but as a nation we do not have to respect a faith or religion that would destroy that right or us. To retain “consent of the governed” we must have speech to denigrate the religious beliefs that would destroy us, and Congress has the power to wage war against them. A faith could believe in killing us, so we as a nation cannot respect it.

    "[9.32] They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse."

    “But there is absolutely no justification for this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts." (Obama)

    “[7.37] Who is then more unjust than he who
    forges a lie against Allah or rejects His
    communications? (As for) those, their portion
    of the Book shall reach them, until when Our
    messengers come to them causing them to
    die, they shall say: Where is that which you
    used to call upon besides Allah? They would
    say: They are gone away from us; and they
    shall bear witness against themselves that
    they were unbelievers” (posted August 30, 2001 10:35 PM)

    Their justification is in us being unbelievers.

    "[8.17] So you did not slay them, but it was Allah Who slew them, and you did not smite when you smote (the enemy), but it was Allah Who smote, and that He might confer upon the believers a good gift from Himself; surely Allah is Hearing, Knowing." "AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY)"

    ***

    “‘We’re going to have that person arrested and prosecuted that did the video,’ said Hillary Clinton.”
    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/331806/incredible-shrinking-president-mark-steyn

    “If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or”
    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/241

    "’[T]he fact that society may find speech offensive is not a sufficient reason for suppressing it. Indeed, if it is the speaker's opinion that gives offense, that consequence is a reason for according it constitutional protection. [485 U.S. 46, 56] For it is a central tenet of the First Amendment that the government must remain neutral in the marketplace of ideas.’ Id., at 745-746.” http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=485&invol=46

    Since the video in question was legal speech, and “we absolutely reject its contents” was not legal statecraft, therefore, Obama and Clinton violated their oaths of office, consequently, their actions must be impeached.

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    “Praise be to Allah, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: ‘But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)’; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said: I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but Allah is worshipped, Allah who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders.”
    One Iraq, Two Iraq, Three Iraq!

    That tyrannical view of the “principality and power of the air” (Devil)—for God’s kingdom is not of this earth--along with the view that “There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection” as an answer to the rape of slave booty, is fully consistent with predestination, and without denigration of beliefs by citizens the Trojan Horse is not only let in the gates but is free to spread an ideology of murder and mayhem to kill unbelievers when the believers obtain critical mass.

    Without the ability to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, freedom of speech, there can be no “consent of the governed.”
     
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    This man should be arrested and never let lose, he might be a good candidate for Guantanamo/Gitmo.
     

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