A question for Agnostics...

So how many were, and how does that compare to mass sacrificial burnings of Mesopotamian victims in Ur for thousands of years, or the slaughters by Muslims, Mongols, African tribes, etc., Mayans and so on? Who killed the most people, pagans or a few pagans in the West only nominally 'Christian'?

 

I did not write that Christianity is anti-science (though it often has been). I wrote that the claims of the religion often conflict with science, and they do. And they conflict with themselves, as I noted in the part of my post you opted not to respond to.

 

lol more bullshit, and you need to jump around in centuries in order to find a few outlying incidents and blow then up into Big Giant Pogroms N Stuff.

It's almost noon; don't you have to make a sacrifice to your frog god or whatever?

 

Ah, so you need to play semantic games and use innuendo as responses? Okay, we're used to that on message boards.

 

Lol, this is hilariously dishonest. "Christians weren't that bad if you combine the atrocities of everyone else combined!" You could use the exact same method to defend any of the groups you just mentioned. And the Christians who committed these atrocities had scriptures on their side, so calling them "pagans" who were only "nominally 'Chrisitan'" is also dishonest

 

Dude, you aren't even trying to read. I brought up Age of Reason because it has excellent criticisms of Christianity. You tried evading that fact by brining up the witch burnings, falsely claiming they happened at the same time. They didn't They were separated by almost a century. And a frog god who doesn't demand the execution of blasphemers and homosexuals is way better than the God of the Bible.

 

Yes. historical facts are always dishonest to use against liars and con artists. Your inability to demonize Da Evul Xians' is duly noted, so now is the time to run to a mod and snivel about the meany who won't kiss your dumb ass, the usual tactic for thts board.

 

Pardon?

You didn't respond to what I wrote and responded as if I wrote something else.

I agree with you that early science was often done by monks and done to "better understand God". Science isn't always at conflict with Christianity, and Christianity has supported science in various ways at various times in history. It has also opposed science at other times in other ways.

That doesn't have anything to do with the claims of the religion itself conflicting with scientific discovery, or conflicting with each other, which they do.

 

Lol, I've literally provided you with history. You are unable to face it. Sorry, but the facts don't care about your feelings. For the majority of their existence, Christians have outlawed freedom of speech, freedom of religion, etc. all based on their scriptures. Their embrace of these freedoms is a modern one and, bringing us back to your original claim, and contrary to your apparent belief, this IS progress.

 

lol no , it doesn't, it just throws out loads of false propaganda and BS. If the death tolls those ignorant navel gazers were true Europe would have maybe a population of 5 people, 4 of them Japanese tourists.

More of your embarrassment, You threw Luther and other BS in with your murky and non-existent education, and now need to make up more BS to cover up, is all. Thanks for playing. Next time don't start an OP with questions you can't handle responses to.

 

You want to deny hoping to use some innuendo or other as a refutation of some kind. Okay, fine.

 

So you refuse to consult history at all. Got it. Explains a lot.

Lol, you asked for examples, I gave you examples. Don't ask for facts when you can't handle the ones that hurt your feelings.

 

@Farnsworth Can you name a single Christian civilization that existed before 1776 where you would have more freedom of religion and speech than you do now in the modern US? Of course you can't. That's why your claim that there was no progress was such a knee slapper. Think it over.

 

Jews and Christians have the best prophets (100% accurate), best apostles and the best ethics.
Don't just read the Bible.. understand it, understand what it is.
i tho't much as you do at one time.. but to be honest I had to study it from the perspective as presented to me by the "otherside" of the debates:, I had to study it as the inerrant Word of God.

 

lol most of that 'progress' you babble about came under Christian auspices, and even the Establishment clause of the Constitution is taken directly from one of the founding platforms of that most Evulist of Christian fundie sects, the Baptists.

lol you really do need to go back to school. The Western world is a far better place than most, but that is going away, now that 'rational constructivist' sociopaths have taken over.

 

Deny what? What innuendo? You still aren't addressing what I actually wrote.

 

Why did the Founders say we weren't a Christian nation? Why is none of the progress I just mentioned found in Christian scriptures . . . which outlaw such progress? Why did it take a millennium and a half for Christians to figure out they wanted to make this progress? Sorry, but it's pretty clear which one of us remembers school.

 

you are kidding.. rIght? Well for one, there is the Kingdom of God, join us! and we, each and every believer and follower of the Way, the Truth and The Life is a block in Christ Church.. as long as there are two of is there stands the church.. kinda hard to defeat .. ain;t it.. JOIN US.

 

Well, these 'rationalists' actually think they can have 'science' without ethics and pesky morals. They're laughable, really, which is why they will do nothing but destroy themselves and everybody else around them.

 

@Farnsworth Additional follow-up question that I know you also won't be able to answer: why had some pagan civilizations made progress in these areas centuries before Christians did? Why did pagan Roman emperors allow more freedom of religion than the Christian Roman emperors did?

 

Many don't see the Bible as the correct holy text. Few who do see it as the correct holy text agree on what the understanding should be. And that doesn't fit at all with an all powerful being who intends you to know his word to the point of judging you based on it. Such a God wouldn't need a Bible and could simply have all know what he wants them to.

 

They didn't. You said they did, and you don't know anything so it doesn't matter. You think there was only one or two Founders, those that said something or other you like to take out of context and babble on the innernutz.

 

More fake history. The Romans hated tribes and cults who practiced human sacrifices, to name one, and for two the worst persecutions in Roman history took place against Christians, at the behest of their pagan temple priests. I know you have to keep 'posting last', but at least try to do so without such blatant lying.

 

So you've never heard of the Treaty of Tripoli, which several Founders who were still in Congress approved . . . and which passed unanimously . . . and was signed by John Adams. So much for "one or two." Sounds like you are projecting. What was that about school again?

 

Lol, I'm sorry, but this is entirely fake history. There was some persecution under Nero, and some restrictions put in place by other emperors, but Christians had it way better under Emperor Julian than pagans had it under ANY Christian emperor. You've fallen for that whole "Christians were fed to lions!" fake bull ****, haven't you?

 

While I see a lot of negative in most religions, I do think there is some wisdom in many religions, as they helped societies to be cohesive and to survive the ages.

For that reason, even being atheist, I worry about what may replace these religions should they fade away. The secular"woke" religion alarms me. It has its versions of original sin, but no redemption or forgiveness.

It seems that most humans have a psychological need for religion of some sort. Perhaps the best we can do is hope the dominant religion is as docile as possible, as modern Christianity has mostly become.