A realizable way to achieve honest government

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  1. rkuniegel

    rkuniegel New Member

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    Theodore Roosevelt lived his life in a manner that is the only way possible to make government responsive to the people. He has written how to make meaningful reform possible not only for his generation but for future generations, if we read what he has said. We only need to interest others in reading what he has said to transform our government.

    Reading the books on TR AMERICAN PATRIOT DOT COM and having others do the same, will develop citizens and leaders capable of transforming American politics into a system of government that will be honest, and responsive to “a square deal”. A square deal has no special deals for the rich, the middle class, or the poor. Our government today has degenerated into a system that rewards citizens for not being productive. It promotes entitlements under the guise of helping people, when in fact it only helps politicians to protect their own royal positions. Policies that foster a special privileged class was the type of government policies Theodore Roosevelt fought against and won. He was a visionary. He knew this fight would need to be fought through the ages if we were to keep our country strong. He was an intrepid pioneer that blazed a trail through a jungle of corrupt government, so that others might follow his proven and highly successful common sense approach toward honest government. His fearless course helped make America a beacon of hope to all that seek justice. His endless devotion to America helped make America a super power that no just nation has needed to fear as long as our citizens value his lofty resolute square deal policy toward our fellow citizens and those of other nations.

    Theodore Roosevelt’s greatest gift to this country is before us. It is not in the past, if we as Americans recognize that his message is not just a story from American history pages. His message is an example, clearly defined. It details actions that are required if we desire to do something meaningful for our country. Join the good fight today. You only need to read and interest others to do the same.

    David Boyd, repeating what he had read, once said, “The person we become is because of our experiences in life, the people we meet, and the books we read.” It is time to have others meet Theodore Roosevelt. It is time for a Theodore Roosevelt revival, “Fear God and do your own part”. Dare to help make Theodore Roosevelt the standard and not the exception. America needs to adopt a wise, fearless and honest role model as the standard we revere, so that our public servants know what we expect. The first step to honest government is no harder than setting proper standards of conduct for our public servants through the use of a proper role model. Can you find one quality in Theodore Roosevelt that is not right in a public servant? If you think you can, I bet your conjecture is based upon something other than truth and honest reasoning and this American would love an opportunity to debate any such conjecture.
     
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    Taxcutter New Member

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    The less power a government has, the more honest it becomes - simply because in a smaller government trhere is less scope for corruption.

    Solyndra is orders of magnitude bigger than Teapot Dome.
     
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    The Brownsville Affair: A scandal in which a black army unit was framed for a shooting spree that left one dead in Brownsville Texas. Roosevelt dishonorably discharged the unit immediately, but later information emerged to indicate that the unit was not involved in the shooting at all; Roosevelt refused to reinstate the soldiers unless they could prove they were not in Brownsville at the time of the shooting. It was not until the Richard Nixon administration that the soldiers were given honorable discharges - there was only one member of the unit still alive by then.

    Yep, real honest peach you have there.
     
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    The only way I know of to achieve honest government is to chose honest people as leaders.
     
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    An incident which excited wide public interest and much partisan rancor at the time occurred also in August, 1906. This was the attack by a body of colored troops of the regular army upon the city of Brownsville in Texas. The troops were stationed at Fort Brown, close beside the city, and considerable hostility had developed between them and the citizens. Near midnight on August 13, a body of colored soldiers, numbering from nine to fifteen or twenty according to varying estimates, scaled the walls of the fort and went through the town, shooting whomsoever they saw moving and firing into houses wherever they saw lights. They fired upon and hit in the arm the lieutenant of police who approached them, fired also at two policemen, killed one man in a saloon and wounded another, and came very near to killing several women and children. Investigation showed that the bullets and shells found on the ground were from government rifles and that bullet-holes in the houses were made by such bullets. There were no bullet-holes in the structure of the fort, showing that there had been no attack upon it. The commander of the fort testified that he was convinced that the raiders had slipped out of their quarters, got possession of their rifles, shot up the town and returned to the barracks without being discovered. All efforts to extort confessions from the suspected soldiers, or to get their associates to give evidence against them failed.

    After full investigation of the facts, the President ordered the discharge of nearly all the members of three companies of the regiment that were known to contain guilty members, holding that the innocent members had entered into a conspiracy of silence to protect their guilty associates, thereby violating their oaths of enlistment by refusing to help discover the criminals. The President's action led to a bitter partisan debate in the Senate, led by Senator Foraker of Ohio, which continued for many weeks, but in the end the President's course was sustained. Letters that he wrote at the time disclose his feelings and motives in the case. Writing to Mr. Silas McBee, editor of The Churchman, on November 27, 1906, he said:

    "I have been amazed and indignant at the attitude of the negroes and of shortsighted white sentimentalists as to my action. It has been shown conclusively that some of these troops made a midnight murderous and entirely unprovoked assault upon the citizens of Brownsville—for the fact that some of their number had been slighted by some of the citizens of Brownsville, though warranting criticism upon Brownsville, is not to be considered for a moment as provocation for such a murderous assault. All the men of the companies concerned, including their veteran noncommissioned officers, instantly banded together to shield the criminals. In other words, they took action which cannot be tolerated in any soldiers, black or white, in any policeman, black or white, and which, if taken generally in the army would mean not merely that the usefulness of the army was at an end but that it had better be disbanded in its entirety at once. Under no conceivable circumstances would I submit to such a condition of things. There has been great pressure not only by the sentimentalists but by the Northern politicians who wish to keep the negro vote. As you know I believe in practical politics, and where possible, I always weigh well any action which may cost votes before I consent to take it; but in a case like this, where the issue is not merely one of naked right and wrong but one of vital concern to the whole country, I will not for one moment consider the political effect.



    "There is another side to this also. In that part of my message about lynching, which you have read, I speak of the grave and evil fact that the negroes too often band together to shelter their own criminals, which action had an undoubted effect in helping to precipitate the hideous Atlanta race riots. I condemn such attitude strongly, for I feel that it is fraught with the gravest danger to both races. Here, where I have power to deal with it, I find this identical attitude displayed among the negro troops. I should be recreant to my duty if I failed by deeds as well as words to emphasize with the utmost severity my disap-proval of it."

    To Dr. B. Lawton Wiggins, Vice Chancellor, University of the South, Sewanee, Tennessee:

    "When I took the stand I did on these negro troops I of course realized that trouble would come of it politically because of the attitude certain to be taken, I regret to say, by unwise sentimentalists and self-seeking demagogues in our Northern States, especially in those where the negro vote is an important factor. But it was just one of those vital matters where I did not feel that I had any right to consider questions of political expediency, and still less of personal expediency. Do not misunderstand me. I believe in being thoroughly practical in politics, and in paying all proper heed to political considerations. As things actually are in this world, I do not feel that a man can accomplish much for good in public life unless he does so. But I believe still more strongly that when we come to root questions affecting the welfare of the entire nation, it is out of the question for an honorable man, whether in public or private life, to consider political expediency at all. In this instance the question was really one of those root questions. If the troops had been white troops, nothing would have been said about my action. It is a curious thing that these same politicians and sentimentalists who denounce me because I refuse to do injustice in favor of the colored troops, have always opposed me when I have endeavored to secure recognition for decent colored men by giving them appointments in their own northern communities."
     
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    How is that working for you. It seems you are lost without a ruter!
     
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    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    There's no such thing as an "honest" Govt. Because what you consider "honest" the other half of the country might consider "dishonest" and vice versa. Leadership and honesty is purely subjective. Which is why we vote for people to represent our opinions rather than have a tyrannical system where only YOUR opinion matters.

    I go by the philosophy, "until you walk a mile in their shoes, you don't have room to talk". Making 310 million people happy and trying to make sure the country doesn't collapse is not an easy task.
     
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    I find this funny. Basing a government based upon the political teachings of a person, isn't something new. It's really old. But here's the problem, it always degrades.
     
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    So we agree. If the people ever awake to an issue the politicians will follow. That is why we need to adopt a honest and fearless role model. What we need to have if your desire is true to heart is for politicans and the voters to practice Socratic Philosophy. TR is the only politician since his time that has practiced Socratic Philosophy!
     
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    Agree walk a mile or go one better read or listen to this book.
    http://www.tramericanpatriot.com/content.php?book_id=10056

    We have been taught to be politicaly correct. There is no black and white issues or so they say, only gray. But is that not an absolute statement that the premise suggests? Which proves its own falsehood by suggesting there is only gray. If you accept the premise there is no room for an honest person.
     
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    Did you know TR was a historian?That had read over ten thousand of books and has written history book so that we would not repeat our errors.
     
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    Your definition of honesty is completely different than mine. That is why I will vote for someone who believes something completely different than the person you will vote for. That is why we vote in the first place. You guys are basically saying, "if anyone does not agree with me, they are not an honest person, because what I believe is right". So you aren't looking for an honest politician, you are looking for a politician who does everything you believe is right.
     
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    Ever hear of a man named Confucius?
     
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    You need to do some research. TR was a crook and tool of the bankers. He was instrumental in getting the federal reserve established.
     
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    HAHAHA. Now how would you verify how many books someone claims they read? THINK
     
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    Only was we'll have honest govt is if americans physically attack corrupt congressmen and juries practice nullificiation and refuse to convict the attackers.

    Non-violence is useless since it never gets the govt psychopaths punished.
     
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    rkuniegel New Member

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    How about basing political teaching upon the wisdom of a person that knew the history and literature of all recorded nation that rose and fell before 1900. Would it be at least worth the time for you to consider what he had said we must fear? There were two things he said were most dangerous. Have you a clue as to what they are?
     
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    You don't even understand the issue. It's not about intelligence, it's about honesty. TR was smart but he was a brazen crook and that's why his ideas should be discarded.
     
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    You have not a clue and you think yourself very smart. TR had many enemies in his day that called attributed to him all sorts of wrongful negative credits for those that have lazy minds to except. I have been down your debate road before. You will continue on your course spouting progressive laws that others have enacted as proof of his accomplishments. Try to take the time to head what his accomplishments are and you will be better severed by what you discover than by what others tell you. I smell a Glen Beck robot. Ever read the Christmas sweater by Glen Beck where he makes up a false story about his mothers death. He is a sick pup that talks a lot like Theodore Roosevelt but the difference is that Beck is a demagogue. TR on the other had backed his words with action.
     
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    Honesty is not hiding your opinion if it will cost you an election. Honest is having your words match your action. Honesty is saying that anyone that puts re-election before the peoples' work will be twisted to do the opposite of honest work. What you get with who you will vote for is a person that can only win by giving away what others earn. TR said a person that expects to be carried is not worth carrying. He would have never taken us down a road that cripples national security for entitlements that have citizens saying I can not take a job because I will lose my benefits. Now who will you vote for that is so good? If the person that you are going to vote for knew there were millions of people that revered TR’s wisdom of non-entitlements you may not be needing to vote for the lesser of two evils.
     
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    How about 8000 books in his personal library and a history of knowing passages from books that others tried to recommend! If you wish to read something that reflects insight from a well-read person try these 1910 speeches, one of which was given in the heart of a Muslim uprising in Egypt under threat of assassination.

    http://www.tramericanpatriot.com/content.php?book_id=2
     
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    This is impossible and attempts designed to select better leaders will only result in more disappointment.
     
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    Please answer my question. Do you know who Confucius was?
     

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