A Successful N95 Mask Is Where You Keep Your COVID Virus Germs.

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  1. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    About the WHO and CDC and Dr. Fauci flip-flopping in the matter of masks: despicable. I never endorsed it. I always complained of it. By now, all three have finally aligned with the scientific evidence. It wasn't due to "caving in" like someone said here, to a mistaken view. It was finally endorsing the CORRECT view? Why didn't they do it before? Dr. Fauci even confessed to *lying* (in his own words) in an interview on TV, I think CBS, I don't recall. The video clip of this interview was posted by someone else here, a while ago. I don't have the link but I did watch it.

    They lied because they wanted to preserve masks for healthcare workers. They were afraid that with the worldwide shortage, if healthcare workers didn't have them, they would contract the disease and at least temporary drop out of the workforce, thus short-staffing even more a potentially strained system.

    But of course, the very notion indicates that they knew perfectly well that masks were protective, including for the wearer (like the overwhelming majority of sound scientific studies show). If they wanted it them to be available to protect healthcare workers, it means they work. To pretend that they are important for healthcare but not for community use, is the same as saying that breaks can stop a car going 90 miles per hour but can't stop a car going 5 miles per hour. If they work for the most dangerous situation (hospitals) they work for the less dangerous situations too, even better (community).
     
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    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    I did, you apparently just cant comprehend the format.
    Ill do it again.
    https://www.nih.gov/

    What you want is for me to translate it for you. But I am of the opinion that people who earn things themselves appreciate it more.
    Give a mouse a cookie they want milk, etc.

    Or you just gonna call people sheep for following scientific guidance like that other guy?

    I asked you twice now..word for word..what specifically verbatum does it have to say for you to believe it?
     
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    You need science to tell you particles from your mouth would be more contained with a mask than no mask?
     
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    I know the difference between fact and fiction.
     
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    see below what I need science to tell me. Science is based on proof, not speculations, you know.

    A link to a huge politicized bureaucracy is not a link to a statistically valid scientific study proving that people wearing masks and/or people surrounded by people wearing masks are less prone to catch the virus.

    Too bad there is no study like this which makes these mask claims of yours faith-based dogmas, not science.
     
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    So to be clear...do you believe particles from ones mouth would be more contained by a mask than without a mask?
     
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    It's been 10 months. Enough time to develop and test 3 vaccines. but no studies on masks? How come?

    Given their allegedly huge importance, do you have 1 single scientifically valid study conducted anywhere in the world that shows that they reduce the spread of the virus.
    Don't give me theories, they are a dime a dozen. One scientifically valid study showing the masks' effectiveness against Covid is all I ask. Is it too much? LOL

    PS do you have any evidence that masks capture enough "particles" to make even slightest difference or that negative side effects of wearing masks don't overweigh their particle catching powers? We both know you don't LOL
     
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    Heres the cookie.


    Now lets hear you beg for the milk.
    Gdanm..some people. You literally have to poor the water down their throats so they wont dehydrate. leading them to the pond isnt enough.
     
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    LOL, a cartoon simulation, no less. Masks are so hugely important and save so many lives that there isn't one study on the planet that scientifically proves it.

    Vernan, my friend, science is based on scientific proof, on real verifiable scientifically valid DATA, on experiments comparing the usage of masks to "placebo".
    Science is not based on cartoons, simulations and bogus theories spread by importantly sounding charlatans and bureaucrats.

    Now you know.
     
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    Nothing you typed there is accurate.
    But if you doubt any of my info you are welcome to perform your own tests. If you can afford it.
     
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    A scientific theory is not science. Until the theory is confirmed beyond any doubt by overwhelming amount of scientifically gathered DATA it's still just a theory. Theories are a dime a dozen.
     
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    Electricity, and gravity arnt science?
    Its up to you now to disprove my theory..THATS how science works.
    I can recreate with 100% accuracy my results.
     
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    Sure are, they are proven by billions of working bulbs and billions of apples falling off apple trees.

    The effectiveness of Covid vaccines is scientifically proven by scientific experiments meeting the highest scientific standards.
    The effectiveness of masks against Covid is not proven by even 1 scientific study on the entire planet.
     
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    Yes it has. Put on a mask and cough or spit. Do as many tests as you would like.
    With a proper mask you will never reach over 12 feet, without a mask, its anyone game.
     
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    Nice. any scientific proof that masks save lives?
     
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    About the same type of proof which shows that anything saves lives.
    Are you asking me if others wearing a mask has ever saved your life?

    Chances are most likely, especially if you have ever been to a hospital.

    To be honest I dont understand your question.
     
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    I am asking for statistical studies proving that masks decrease the spread of Covid... if they do by how much? 90%, 50%, 1%, 0%? Maybe they increase the spread? Who knows without scientific proof.
     
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    Do one..anyone can do a scientific study you know. Like the one i showed you.
    At this point, it seems you wont believe any study aside from one performed by your self anyway.
     
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    What point exactly? I've agreed with the raw facts you've stated but you've not presented any conclusion based upon them. You've not actually stated what is your actual point is?

    My opinion is that his name is Fauci an childish name-calling is a poor debate technique.

    I agree that they're not necessarily for walking around outside but could be beneficial indoors where social distancing isn't possible. There was an issue with supply but that has been largely resolved (certainly has in the UK and I see no reason why it would be in the US). There are valid questions of how much benefit they actually have and the risks of poor use but it seems the evidence on those questions have shifted the professional conclusion to favour mask use by the general pubic in certain situations. I've not studied the technical details on those questions (and I'm sure you haven't either) but I've seen no good reason to doubt those conclusions as they stand today.
     
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    So basically what you’re telling us is that when you’re around people you don’t cover your mouth at all when you cough or sneeze because covering your mouth makes no difference, right? Wow.
    Why would you think scientists would waste their time showing there is a difference of how far particles are emitted with and without ones mouth COVERED? It’s common sense. We were all taught as kids to cover our mouths when we coughed or sneezed. Were you not taught that?
    Anywho...not that you’re actually interested but...
     
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    I am wearing a mask in public as a matter of courtesy, to keep people around me comfortable. Too many of them believe that masks work and I have no reason at all to aggravate them.

    Like I highlighted in my previous sentence, people "believe" in masks, which makes them a matter of faith and a dogma. It's totally different from having a scientific proof that they actually work and reduce the spread of the virus. Which you haven't.
     
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    Scientific statistical proof, not an uneducated lunatic with a spray, not a cartoon animation that Vernan offered. Scientific statistical proof conducted by a reputable medical organization in compliance with scientific standards of proof, understand? LOL
     
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    How is it my fault that your idea of "scientific proof" is an uneducated lunatic with a spray on youtube?

    Being exposed as having no leg to stand on and being trolled are two different things entirely.
     
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    5 yrs old in the Muslim world knows allahu akbar, that doesn't make it true. I am a scientist, I want real scientific proof, what you offer, what 5 year old believe in is dogma. Just because a lot of people "believe" in something, does not make it a scientific fact without a scientific proof.
     
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    Whats stopping you from conducting the experiment yourself? Why take someone else word for it?
    You want someone to sacrifice themselves, and get covid at 6 inches from another persons face to provide what you already know? That masks help prevent the spread from coughing/spitting individuals up to a certain distance.
     
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