A Thanksgiving Surprise: Native Americans Have West Eurasian Origins

The Anu people, the Sami, Laplanders, Kennewick man and some others that escape my memory presently are proof positive
that European peoples were widely dispersed through the North and West and were displaced eventually by other tribes.
Some people in that context my see the conquest of N. America then as karma in action.

 

I think you get to be called native after ~20,000 years.

 

I think the continents are as they (more or less) are today as when humans started migrating. The common denominators would be the Ice ages and lower sea levels. Remember modern humans have only walked this Earth for around 200,000 years but migration to the Americas started around 40,000-35,000 years ago.

 

Because the first primates did not exist until well after the continents had separated.

 

This has been known since about forever. North and South America first saw human beings show up between 20,000 and 15,000 years ago. Most likely from across the land bridge that is now the Bering Straight. This was well known 50 years ago when I was in High School.

Probably more advanced than it was in 1600, there was a fairly advanced culture in the mid west known as the mound builders, the Cherokee were settled farmers, the Iroquois Confederation was taking shape and had many democratic features.

And hogans and longhouses etc.

Nope no horseback riding. Horses were introduced to the Americas by the Spaniards. Native American horses (along with most of the really large animals in North America) had gone extinct by about 12,000 years ago. There was a major climatic shift in North America about that time which caused the earliest native americans to disappear from the northeast. We find campsites and archaeological evidence of widespread human habitation in the Northeast between about 15,000 years ago and 13,000 years ago and then they disappear, there is a layer of dark soil about a foot deep, and then we find habitation again above that layer. Much of North America at that time was covered by a huge Glacier, which had been receding, but then suddenly advanced again. What many scientists think may have happened is that a meteor struck the glacier (which was up to 2 and 3 miles thick) and created a nuclear winter type scenario. Since it would have landed on ice there would be very little evidence of such a recent strike.

Which was about the same level of medical skill Europeans had at the beginning of the 16th century. Native Americans did have one of the most powerful medications known to man however, they had a raw form of Aspirin. In South America, they had Coca leaves, which was a strong stimulant and had healing properties. The Inca had pretty advanced medical procedures. They could do skull surgery to relieve pressure from head wounds, they could perform other surgery's that were in advance of anything Europeans could do at the time. This was largely because the Church forbade a lot of research into medical procedures. In many ways the Inca were almost as medically advanced as the ancient Egyptians, who were far more advanced than the Europeans until the 1800's. Western medicine did not really make great advances until the Civil War, which saw great medical advances.

The primary things the various native cultures lacked were as follows. Lack of knowledge of smelting metals. Lack of large domesticated animals, such as the horse or camel. Llama's and Alpaca's are too small to ride, and can only carry small loads. The idea of writing was starting to spread out of Central America.

Oh, and don't think there weren't a lot of people here in the Americas, the estimated population of the Americas in 1492 was between 90-112 million. Spain had a population of 10 million. Of course the diseases that were unknown in the Americas made short work of those population numbers. Smallpox, Measles, Rubella, Chicken Pox and Mumps were unknown here and killed off millions within a few years. The Natives did get some revenge on the europeans, syphilis and tobacco.

 

You didn't look at my links did you?

 

You are making the mistake of not thinking for yourself.
The continents may have separated only 12-13 thousand years ago.
Look at my last link there.
Don't you think that there would be much more erosion of the Atlantic Coast Lines over 200 thousand years? They are still a recognizable match today.

 

Read the first one but can't read the PDF because my PDF reader isn't working.

The continents are much the same today as they were 40,000 years ago when migration to the Americas began. What don't you understand about that?

"May have" is not proof.

 

The Mormons have been centralized in the American southwest for over 150 years now. They were one of the first large groups of white settlers in the area, and they traded a lot of good and ideas with the Native Americans in the surrounding areas.

 

And? How does that factor into Indian mythology?

 

Where is your proof that they are the same as 40,000 years ago?
What is it that you do not understand about the cataclysm that happened about 12,000 years ago?

 

South Americans, the real ones look uncannily similar to Tibetans. IMO the South Americans most resemble Tibetans not eurasians

 

its not Mormon propaganda, the us government officials also believed native Americans were Israelites, look up elias boudinat

 

From the skimming I just did of his book it seems like the same easily disproven revisionist tripe that was all over the place 200 years ago. Some people back then still believed in Prester John FFS.

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I would love to see some of this "mythology" that links Indians to the Jews you speak of.

 

You can believe what you want. No skin off my nose.

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I noticed that when we spent some time in the Tibetan Autonomous Region of western Sichuan. I was thinking Bolivians.

 

You just said you blame the Mormons for it and now you say it doesnt exist? Can you make up your mind!

 

Okay, here is me making up my mind. Show me proof that Native Americans believe this so I can see where this stupidity comes from.

 

Take it up with the poster who said it. I see your Mormon deflection isnt working and you dont stand by it now...

 

If he has actual proof than I am more than happy to look at it. As is I can't find anything credible on the matter through Google and so I believe its still Mormon crap or something similar. I am surprised he didn't throw in that they are descendants of Prester John.

 

This is far-fetched speculation. We do know people are naturally conservative. Some practices such as decorating Christmas trees date far back before the Christian era. Northern Europeans, Siberians, and Native Americans share some religious and cultural beliefs. Probably, it is a coincidence, but what if it isn't? Could both populations still carry traces of attitudes and values originating with the common ancestor? Some Indians and Sami people still consume magic mushrooms and see visions as they chant. Finns claim that Santa's home is at a theme park in the northern part of their country. Sami people chanted as magic reindeer circled their lodges and entered their lodges. Some claimed that Santa's eight flying reindeer originated with their religious rituals. Could Donnor and Blitzon be remanents of a common ancestor's religion? I wouldn't bet the farm on it, but speculation is fun sometimes.

 

That's not possible. The reason we know this is not possible is because 12000 years is not enough times for animals to evolve into different species for different continents like they have. If the continents only separated 12,000 years ago there would be a lot less separation of animals between continents. We'd see giraffes and lions and elephants in South America. Or Kangaroos in Africa. 12,000 years ago these animals existed. So if the continents were together at the time then these animals would be able to travel and breed easily between them. But there are no lions in South America. So we can assume the continents separated well before lions existed.

 

Sea level has varied by about 200m over the last 500 million years. It has been at least 200m higher and 120m lower.

I notice that most people with strange views like yours tend to be ignorant of basic science. You are no exception to that general rule.

 

"Basic Science" has been wrong many times.
Not only do sea levels rise and fall, but land also rises and falls as sea levels on surrounding areas remain the same.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ear...-above-sea-levels-according-to-new-study.html

 

I agree 12,000 years is too soon for the continents to have separated. However, science can be subverted. or it is wrong with changing theories. Human-caused climate change is not the settled science it was advertised to be. The Clovis point people were assumed to be the oldest settlers in America. Now, that conclusion is questioned. When Sweden controlled Finland, settled science assumed that Fins were really Asians. Around 1906, some Americans sued to deport a Finish man under the Asian Exclusion Act. The new information about a common Native American-European heritage also shows that science is settled only until new information comes forth.