A Third Party Presidential Bid in 2024?

My take is this..
1) Trump's vote is baked in...
2) Trump.will get the SAME Amount of votes (whether it is a 2-Party Race or a 3-Party Race)...
3) Thus, anything (i.e., a 3rd Party Candidate) which serves to Dilute the Anti-Trump Vote, helps Trump...

 

There is a baked in component to the Trump vote, but it is lower now than it was in 2020, and tha twasn't enough to win. Further, the 2022 midterms show that thanks to increasing GOP insanity Dems can get voters out even in an election with no Trump. If he is on the ballot not only will Dems have a powerful motivator, but some independents will vote Dem just to stop Trump getting back. He is less electable now than ever. I don't see a third party changing that significantly.

 

That point is true, but there is no way that there will be leftist third party candidate who will split the Democrat vote. If Biden gets the nomination, the Democrat voters will support him, even if he forgets his pants and walks around in diapers. It's far more likely that Trump will form a third party if he does not get the Republican nomination.

There is not much chance of that, however. The Trump cultists will win the nomination for him. The more the Democrats indict him, the more primary votes he gets.

Then it will be unelectable Trump against whatever the Democrats decided to run. Unlike 2022, the Democrat success will be no surprise in 2024.

 

It is good to see you

 

It's not Democrats that are indicting criminal defendant Trump. It's been, up until now, one Grand Jury of peers in NY because a prosecutor brought a case and the jury voted to indict. That's how it works in the Justice System.

And had criminal defendant Trump not been criming in public all over the place, he would not be in this predicament. It's not the Democrats' fault that so much criminal energy is flowing through his obese body. That's on him.

And people crazy enough to vote for him in the primaries deserve the pounding the GOP is certain to face in Nov. 2024.

 

The duopoly is so entrenched that it is difficult to imagine its being unseated, but such is to be sincerely wished for.

 

The electoral college system as we have it entrenched in our Constitution pretty much bakes in the 2 party doupoly.

We would need a parliamentary electoral system, where coalitions between parties is necessary in order to achieve an absolute majority and therefore control of a parliament that in turn put up the leader of the executive (Prime Minister, President), in order more than 2 parties to really flourish. But beware, such a parliamentary system also has some drawbacks.

 

Please learn correct English grammar. It is not "Democrat voters". It is "Democratic voters" Likewise, it is not "Democrat Party". It is "Democratic Party".

I assume that you're writing this way out of ignorance, which is ok and can happen to even the best of us. Glad to have helped you here.

 

Just remember, in terms of the NPV, Ross Perot (in 1992) did considerably better than either George Wallace (196 or Strom Thurmond (194 and yet he, as a third party candidate, garnered ZERO electoral votes.

He promised to build the "Reform Party" from the ground up but after his second defeat in 1996, that never happened. And people really DO remember broken promises.

Without a well-established statewide infrastructure, a third party's chances on the national stage are pretty hapless.

But a strong third party bid can cause states that are traditionally for the one party to fall to the other in a contested election. For instance, were there to be a civil war in the GOP and Trump either bolts or a third party is formed as a backlash to him, then a state like Kansas or Montana or South Carolina could easily fall to Joe Biden or another Democrat. Also, battlegrounds like North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania or Wisconsin would likely fall to the Democrat by a landslide margin.

 

Oh, I am using the language quite correctly. “Democrat” is a pejorative term that Republicans have long used to label your party.

There is nothing “Democratic” about the modern Democrat Party. It is an elitist movement that is dedicated to crushing the opposition through the misuse of the legal, taxation, bureaucratic and executive branches. Instead of debating the merits of the issues, the Democrat Party, punishes the opposition with frivolous court cases, needlessly showy arrests by the FBI, and harassment by the IRS. When the party isn’t doing that, Democrats make false claims about Russian hoaxes, like the latest one that has been exposed orchestrated by “51 national security experts.” Finally, if a Democrat politician can’t think of anything better, he or she can claim “racism” which a code for anything they don’t like.

No, your party left Democratic principles in the dust a couple decades ago. Now “the Democrat Party” is the right name for it. Or would you rather be known as the “Dictatorship Party?” That would more accurate.

There are reasons why classical liberals Alan Dershowitz and Bill Marr are questioning your aims and methods. They are concerned about you party’s conduct and goals.

 

BTW, “The Dictatorship Party” is short for “The Dictatorship of the Proletariat Party.”

 

Good point.....
not only was Lincoln betrayed... but so were all Americans.


Alain Pilote:

 

Fascinating part of our history, that my schools never taught us.

 

My schools and my university did not cover this aspect of the full formula either.......
I was introduced to this topic by a fisherman from Digby Neck, Nova Scotia back in the early 1990's.

I believe that we can learn a lot from what happened back then as we attempt to understand what President Biden's handlers are getting him to sign... and speak...... for them!


Biden Digital Currency, does this scare you?

I find it encouraging that the majority of the posters to this forum do seem to have some understanding of what is probably being planned.


Do Biden's advisors and Trudeau's advisors seem to want to crash the markets?

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Do Biden's advisors want to create an economic crisis?

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   No
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   Yes
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3. 
   I certainly hope not????
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   I hope so... because I know how to invest no matter which way this goes!
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Change Your Vote

 

It was a tougher lesson for independent voters. If there was ever a year with candidates bad enough to give a third party candidate a chance, it was 2016. Then what happened over the next four years was even worse as spineless republicans refused to hold the turdball they’d put in office accountable for anything he did, and went on defending and even celebrating his worst characteristics. If Trump is on the ballot, the only effective protest vote is to vote for the other major party.

 

I suppose if you think Trump was that bad, voting for Biden would be a viable protest. It isn’t because the people who control Biden are authoritarians who are looking to create a one party state with an all powerful, and totally corrupt, central government.

I don’t want either one of them to run in 2024. I also want Harris out because if Biden is re-elected, there is a very high probability that she will be president. Two years have shown that she is not up for the job.

It is sad that our system has come down this choice. One party is dominated by a demagogue, while the other runs a fragile, lame brained straw man.

The third party idea will not work within two years’ time. The logistics of winning a national election go well beyond finding the “perfect, charismatic candidate” who come in riding on a white horse to save the day. Winning elections requires a sophisticated ground game, and building one that quickly will not happen in two years.

 

The duopoly has such a strangle hold on elections that any alternative to their candidates is next to impossible.

 

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  'No Labels' ticket threatens to upend 2024 WH race

 

"In response, No Labels adviser Benjamin Chavis Jr. told the Washington Post that he “would not be involved if I thought in any account that we would do something to spoil the election in favor of Donald Trump. That’s just not going to happen.”

Haha!

 

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  The 'unity ticket' for 2024 that alarms Democrats

 

Regardless whether the no label party becomes a reality or not, I’ve voted third party in the past to show my opposition against both major parties candidates which in that particular election, both disgusted me. I did vote third party in Georgia’s senate race which I didn’t want neither Walker nor Warnock and didn’t vote at all in their runoff as I refused to help either on. Same in 2016 when my disdain for Trump and Clinton was at an all time high, I didn’t care who won between these dregs from the bottom of the barrel.


I’m not averse to voting third party, third parties give me a way to officially register my vote as being against both major party’s candidates. I’ll probably vote third party again in the 2024 presidential if it is a rematch of Trump vs. Biden. None of this lesser of two evils or voting for the candidate I least want to lose.

 

Bingo.

 

There is no democracy in the democrat party.
Secondly a multi party country would be chaos.
Thirdly, this multi candidate play off is what makes democracy in the US tick.
Fourthly, the electoral college address the question of taxation and representation. High population states should not be in a position to drain the resources of less populated states who grow their food.
Fifthly, it acts as a buffer against voter fraud since you can't rig them all. The country is too big.
BTW, have you ever driven across the country? It is very big.

 

Assuming, as everyone expects, 2024 is a Biden v Trump Rematch:
The Dems should be worried.
Any ticket offered up by No Labels will GUARANTEE a Trump Victory. Period!
1) Trump's vote is baked in...
2) Trump.will get the SAME Amount of votes (whether it is a 2-Party Race or a 3-Party Race)...
3) Thus, anything (i.e., a 3rd Party Candidate) which serves to Dilute the Anti-Trump Vote, helps Trump...

 

Maybe yes, maybe no. Regardless, a voter is under no obligation except to follow his/her own preference.